Upside Down Receptacle ?

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210.70 covers lighting outlets.
It does not say you cannot switch a SA receptacle.

In a kitchen, you cannot have switched receptacle outlets (for lighting) in lieu of lighting outlets.
 
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Just a thought: I know the NEC doesn't address
if the ground is up or down, but on all the
receptacle testers that I have ,if you insert
them in a receptacle that has ground pin up then
you just about have to stand on your head to read
the label pattern on the tester.
 
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Nuts. You're right.

I need to read slower.

210.52(B)(1) Exception 1 kinda hints that they'd rather you switch a different circuit, but it doesn't flat prohibit the switching of an SA receptacle. Good read. :)
 
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If I remember correctly installing receptacles with the ground up was an OSHA thing about 25 years ago.
 
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For 20+ Years We have installed receptacles with the ground up. The local inspector 20 years ago wanted the ground up so that when someone plug a device into the receptacle the ground would make the first connection not the hot. His rule of thumb was " under 48 inches ground up over 48" ground dowm. He felt the first connection should be the ground connection. :roll:
 
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southern,

According to 406.9(D) Receptacles and Attachment Plugs "shall be designed so that the grounding connection is made before the current-carrying connections."

It doesn't matter which way the outlets go, the ground pin makes first contact because it is longer.

Bill
 
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Bill, Bill Addiss,

I think I could count the number of times I've seen you post on one hand. :)
 
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Originally posted by ryan_618:
]Listing and labeling are one thing, manufacturer's instructions are something else entirely. See 110.3(B) and notice that it refers to the listing and labeling...not the instructions. I doubt the orientation of the device is a listing issue.
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Ryan
The issue of manufacturers instructions being part of the listing was discussed in another thread. Somebody posted the Q & A from UL stating that any instructions included with the product are considered part of the listing.

I'm confused as to the point of your statement????

I too would be very surprised if UL said recep's were evaluated and listed with the ground prong in a certain position.

edit: My comments may be a little out of date, I didn't notice how old this thread is :eek:

[ January 13, 2005, 02:25 AM: Message edited by: sandsnow ]
 
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That's this new guy, George, Larry, he gets bored and keeps digging this old stuff up. :D
 
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Larry's a good asset for me George. He's a California inspector and once, just by mentioning his name, and quite a bit of other explaining, I was able to convince an AHJ to let me do something a more reasonable way than I was originally gonna have to do it.
 
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Larry,
The issue of manufacturers instructions being part of the listing was discussed in another thread. Somebody posted the Q & A from UL stating that any instructions included with the product are considered part of the listing.
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Then why does UL "classify" breakers? The manufacturer's instructions for every panel says to use only their breakers. If the UL statement is correct, there is no way that classified breakers could be used. They also "classify" other products, for example "form 7" covers for conduit bodies. UL can't have it both ways.
Don
 
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Don
As far as classified vs. same manufacturer c/b's in the same panelboard, you bring up a good point. It never occurred to me.
As far as I know, both are true. You bring up a valid Catch-22.

I'm not familiar with the condelet cover thing.

I have to bring this up at the next IAEI meeting and ask the UL rep for an answer.

I'd like to ask others to do the same and see if we get the same answer.

BTW, IAEI meeting are usually open to all in the electrical trade, and I would encourage any and all who can spare the time to drop by their local meetings. Our's has at least an hour on education, and time is given to consultants, contractors, manufacturers, inspectors, etc. to ask questions or make announcements.
 
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Originally posted by physis:
.... and once, just by mentioning his name, and quite a bit of other explaining, I was able to convince an AHJ to let me do something a more reasonable way than I was originally gonna have to do it.
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I can't wait 'till that one comes full circle :D
 
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