Using THHN No. 14 on 20 Amp lighting circuit

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iwire said:
Larry lets go easy here, there are electricians that have never had to deal with duplex receptacles.
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What would you call them control system specialists ?????? High voltage technicians ????? IMO an electrician can rough in and trim residential,run conduit and pull and terminate wires,run control circuits,understand 1 ph and 3 ph wiring, be able to do an underslab and actually hit the walls that will be there.retro fit an installation in a building and make it look good,know how to wire a flow/tamper system on a fire alarm and a few other items.Sorry guy but your questions are kind of worrysome to me but thats my opinion......
 
LarryFine said:
We have two of each panel because we split the house loads between generator-backed and non-generator-backed feeds.
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Oh Yeah ! . Almost forgot that stuff. . Around my "neck of the woods", generators have become very common over the past few years and so has GEO heating/cooling.

We have one electric utility covering almost half the county that offers a discounted rate on the GEO and electric hotwater tank or wholehouse insta-hot. . The contractors run a 3wire SE AL feeder out of the main panel, back outside to a separate meterbase, back inside to a subpanel dedicated for GEO/hotwater. . Two hots and an equipment ground, no neutral needed.

I inspected a monster last week that had 2 40space mains in the basement; 2 subs on the 2nd floor; a regular and a GEO meter; a GEO panel; a transfer switch; a generator; and 2 more subs feed from the transfer switch, one in the basement, one on the 2nd floor.

Remember when Archie Bunker went downstairs and stuck a penny in his burned out screw-in fuse holder ? . I remember he caught the basement on fire and the insurance company found out what he had done and wouldn't cover the claim. . Things are getting a bit more complicated these days.

David
 
allenwayne said:
IMO an electrician can rough in and trim residential,run conduit and pull and terminate wires,run control circuits,understand 1 ph and 3 ph wiring, be able to do an underslab and actually hit the walls that will be there.retro fit an installation in a building and make it look good,know how to wire a flow/tamper system on a fire alarm and a few other items.
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Hey! I can do that stuff. I must be an electrician!
 
allenwayne said:
What would you call them control system specialists ?????? High voltage technicians ????? IMO an electrician can rough in and trim residential,run conduit and pull and terminate wires,run control circuits,understand 1 ph and 3 ph wiring, be able to do an underslab and actually hit the walls that will be there.retro fit an installation in a building and make it look good,know how to wire a flow/tamper system on a fire alarm and a few other items.Sorry guy but your questions are kind of worrysome to me but thats my opinion......
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The difference between an electrician and a "wireman" or whatever term to use for some of the hacks out there.
 
allenwayne said:
What would you call them control system specialists ?????? ....
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Maybe.

Industrial electrician who has always worked as a maintenance electrician in a plant.

The fact is many electricians have never roughed a single family home.

I can probably use one hand to count the single family homes I have roughed.
 
True, that is a good point. And also true it's hard to learn without asking questions. I always encourage my helpers to ask. (hopeful not the same ones over and over) But I have worked with some who don't even try to learn, just want to get by.
 
peter d said:
Nevermind...I was going to make fun of Iwire but it backfired.
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iwire said:
I don't think it's easy, it seems like you have to burn rubber all day long to make it profitable.
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Yes you do and if you get out of doing houses for a couple years it can be rough to know whats changed and pushed.I had to do one last year and had forgot a lot of little things.Luckily i was able to call on Allen W for some answers.What county can make a differance.I enjoyed wiring high end homes but i am too old to be a race horse.
 
A perfect example of what you guys are talking about is my brother in law. He has been an electrician in a copper mine for almost 20 years. One day he decided to replace all the devices in his home, he called me and said the new switches only have 2 screws and a ground, some of his old switches have 3 screws and a ground, how does that work?

He also wired the kitchen with #10 and a 30A breaker.

Then he said the mine sparkies refer to residential sparkies as "two wire sparkies".
 
Ya know what Jim, you are right , a lot of commercial guys think and say wiring a home is nothing and simple.

Also these same guys probaly only have done a couple and have no idea of the code violations and problems they caused.

A lot of homes are wired fast, cheap and flat out dangerous .....the guys that do this don't have a clue of the potential problems they have caused.

The future of electrical service work is going to spend the next several decades fixing and repairing this garbage they put in and make a darn good living off it also.

Lot of the commercial work is just as bad if not worse.
 
Lets give credit where credit is due !!!!! Many residential guys have no idea what a pipe hickey is as well as many commercial guys look at NM and say what is that stuff.I just feel that in order to actually call yourself an electrician one should have knowledge of all the applicable installs that are encountered.Be it commercial,industrial,residential,service.... You don`t have to be an expert but at least know something about what you are doing.

Larry I`m glad you can do those things !!!!!!! You are an electrician.....
Bob at least you admit that you only have limited knowledge of residential work,some guys wouldn`t.But at least you interject and know the residential code as we all know.This site allows all of the parts of our trade to share ideas and answer questions as to what we might have a question of.

Jim W has contacted me before to get answers to local questions and I have answered him as best as I can.I hope it helped him in completeing a quality job, I`m sure it did help.

Electricians have the biggest egos,they all think they are the best there is in this trade.We all have something to learn everyday,thank goodness MIKE has given us this forum to learn on..........................................:)
 
ryan_618 said:
Gmack said:
Jim, for a starting session.

Lets look at:

430.52. All of it.
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I'm not seeing it.
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What he?s trying to say [without actually saying it] is that on motors the wire size and the OCPD size is speced separately on the nameplate. . You might have a name plate that only requires 12 gauge wire but allows a 30 amp OCPD. . That is a perfectly code legal install ?.. for a motor. . Motors are treated differently. . That?s the point but he wasn?t being clear.

David
 
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