Violation or not?

[electricmanscott]

Works for me as is.

 

[peter d]

You were off, its 1000.3388.3344.45990.0032, the section you posted was this...

My bad.

 

[The Iceman]

Wouldn't this still be a violation of 210.8 (A) (7). Here is the definition of a wet bar...


wet bar
?noun a small bar equipped with a sink and running water, for making and serving cocktails at home, in a hotel suite, or the like.

[Origin: 1965?70]

I have a small kithchen counter, with a sink, full of booze for making drinks. Would I need a GFCI in my kitchen cabinet?:grin:

 

[480sparky]

Wouldn't this still be a violation of 210.8 (A) (7). Here is the definition of a wet bar...


wet bar
?noun a small bar equipped with a sink and running water, for making and serving cocktails at home, in a hotel suite, or the like.

[Origin: 1965?70]

I have a small kithchen counter, with a sink, full of booze for making drinks. Would I need a GFCI in my kitchen cabinet?:grin:

It's either a kitchen or a wet bar. Not both. If it's a kitchen, then no GFI is needed.

I would really like to see someone require a GFI per 210.8(A)(7) that's in a living room wall just because the wet bar sink is on the other side of the wall.

Where did you find that definition in the 1965 NEC?

 

[tonyou812]

why would that be a violation? Is that cabinet part of some elaborate environmental space?

 

[The Iceman]

It's either a kitchen or a wet bar. Not both. If it's a kitchen, then no GFI is needed.

I would really like to see someone require a GFI per 210.8(A)(7) that's in a living room wall just because the wet bar sink is on the other side of the wall.

Where did you find that definition in the 1965 NEC?

Nope, dictionary.com. I don't think the OP is a violation.

 

[480sparky]

Nope, dictionary.com. I don't think the OP is a violation.

So what does 1965-70 mean?

 

[The Iceman]

So what does 1965-70 mean?

I think it's the time period of when the word wet bar originated.

 

[480sparky]

I think it's the time period of when the word wet bar originated.

Shows how my mind works. I'm thinking NFPA publication 70 (the NEC), year 1965.

 

[marissa2]

What about an outlet under the sink for a DW or GD. Those are not required to be GFCI protected.
Lou

 

[iaov]

Not a violation. No GFIC required. IMO

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

just how thick does it need to be called a ceiling or wall
3/8 ,1/2 ,5/8,4 1/2 ????????????

 

[jim dungar]

just how thick does it need to be called a ceiling or wall
3/8 ,1/2 ,5/8,4 1/2 ????????????

I think that is a question for the building inspector. Walls and ceilings involve structural issues.

 

[electricmanscott]

just how thick does it need to be called a ceiling or wall
3/8 ,1/2 ,5/8,4 1/2 ????????????

Who really knows, but i do a know a cabinet is not a wall.

 

[LarryFine]

Cabinets are not part of the structure.

 

[quogueelectric]

Personally I would feed it from the ltg ckt and use a single receptical so they dont plug a lot of junk in there. But otherwise it looks great.

 

[iwire]

just how thick does it need to be called a ceiling or wall
3/8 ,1/2 ,5/8,4 1/2 ????????????

It needs to be a wall to be a wall. :grin:

Look up the definition of wall in the building code or a dictionary and I bet a cabinet side does not match up without some serious stretching of the definition.

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

Next?Back to resultsMain Entry: 1wall
Function: noun
Pronunciation: 'wo l
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English weall; akin to Middle High German wall; both from Latin vallum rampart, from vallus stake, palisade; perhaps akin to Old Norse volr staff -- more at WALE
1 a : a high thick masonry structure forming a long rampart or an enclosure chiefly for defense -- often used in plural b : a masonry fence around a garden, park, or estate c : a structure that serves to hold back pressure (as of water or sliding earth)
2 : one of the sides of a room or building connecting floor and ceiling or foundation and roof
3 : the side of a footpath next to buildings
4 : an extreme or desperate position or a state of defeat, failure, or ruin -- usually used in the phrase to the wall
5 : a material layer enclosing space <the wall of a container> <heart walls>
6 : something resembling a wall (as in appearance, function, or effect) ; especially : something that acts as a barrier or defense <a wall of reserve> <tariff wall>
- walled/'wo ld/ adjective
- wall-like/'wo l-"līk/ adjective
- up the wall slang : into a state of intense agitation, annoyance, or frustration <the noise drove me up the wall>


read #5 sure seems like they called it a wall

As far as what the ahj calls it is up to him but he could call it a wall.

 

[iwire]

read #5 sure seems like they called it a wall

Only if that is the result you are trying to make it be.

The side of a cabinet is not a wall.

The bottom of an upper cabinet is not a ceiling.

The top of a cabinet is not a floor.

If you want to start calling the sides of cabinets 'walls' then you better be prepared to install the 210.52 required receptacles along those 'walls'. :roll:

 

[jrannis]

Im not really a big believer of ceiling fans in the kitchen, especially with a light kit. Is that a mobile home?