wago here, wago there....

[Karl H]

"Yes, Ma'am, I realize it's an inconvenience on your part to shut the computers down, but it would really be an inconvenience for my family to have to plan my funeral. I can, if you like, re-schedule this for off-business hours at ______ rate....."[/QUOTE

Ok,I'm a service guy of 25 years Comm,Industrial. You guys are
right and I'm wrong there has never been a time in our
careers that we've ever had to work anything HOT.Granted, I'm smarter now.
I'm going to share some knowledge with you guys that have never done
hot work. You have to be real careful electricity will kill you.
I have to admit I've made BAD decisions you can always turn the power off.

 

[peter d]

and for some unknown reason, your still not married

Yeah, I wonder why?

Oh yeah, because I hang out way too much at an electricians forum with a bunch of weirdos. Present company included of course.

 

[electricalperson]

"Yes, Ma'am, I realize it's an inconvenience on your part to shut the computers down, but it would really be an inconvenience for my family to have to plan my funeral. I can, if you like, re-schedule this for off-business hours at ______ rate....."

ken your one hell of an electrician. your a good guy. there is no reason to work on stuff hot. the famous line i hear when i want to shut off power to receptacles is "its only 120 just do it live" "you cant die from 120"

people should read overcurrents and undercurrents. they talk about people who were killed on 120 because of lack of gfci protection

i stil lremember the day when my boss made me replace a 277 volt single pole switch in bathrooms and i asked if i could shut it off and he said no it cant be done. to this day i dont understand why i couldnt shut off the bathroom lights.

 

[Karl H]

Yeah, I wonder why?

Oh yeah, because I hang out way too much at an electricians forum with a bunch of weirdos. Present company included of course.

LOL That's what my wife says!

 

[iwire]

Karl I have been at it about as long, and in the past I would work anything hot, now I think more about how much my two kids would miss me vs knocking out a few PCs delaying the office workers solitaire games, on line shopping and private emailing.

 

[emahler]

Yeah, I wonder why?

Oh yeah, because I hang out way too much at an electricians forum with a bunch of weirdos. Present company included of course.

see...admitting you have a problem is the 1st step to recovery....have you tried a plumbers forum? they have all the glory and get all the girls...and they don't worry about toilet opening up or toilet opening down...

 

[peter d]

see...admitting you have a problem is the 1st step to recovery....have you tried a plumbers forum? they have all the glory and get all the girls...and they don't worry about toilet opening up or toilet opening down...

Nah, one forum takes up enough of my time already. Plus you couldn't pay me enough to handle pipes that carry poo. I'm all set with that.

 

[peter d]

ken your one hell of an electrician. your a good guy.

Oh great. Now that will go to his head.

 

[Volta]

...and they don't worry about toilet opening up or toilet opening down...

That's funny!

 

[iwire]

Lets get back to the wagos for Randy

 

[peter d]

Lets get back to the wagos for Randy

I only use them on ground wires. The 10 port are especially handy when you have to make up a box full of EGC's.

 

[tonyou812]

One of my bigger gripes about them is that you need to skin the wire pretty accurately. At least with wire nuts, if you skin them too long, you can chomp off the whole bundle to the right length with your pliers. Not much tolerance with the Wago's.

I'm a wire nut and lineman guy all the way. For #14-10 awg wire the best technique IMO is to twist the wires with your lineman's first and use a good wire nut.

 

[Karl H]

Karl I have been at it about as long, and in the past I would work anything hot, now I think more about how much my two kids would miss me vs knocking out a few PCs delaying the office workers solitaire games, on line shopping and private emailing.[/QU

I understand completely. "Back in the Day" we HAD to do Hot
work.So we took preventive measures like taping recepts.That's
were that came from if you or Sparky remember.Like I said working
HOT is wrong and stupid but back then we HAD too and you both
know it.Luckliy we are here today to tell the stories of how it
used to be. I still today tape recepts and switches because of habit
yes but,also I know someone with less knowledge of electricity
will attempt to change them while energized.

 

[ceb58]

I will admit I have used the wagos in boxes where the drywallers hit the wire with a rotozip. The nick in the wire made it about 2'' long easier to install the wago with a pigtail than getting in with a wire nut.

 

[Karl H]

I will admit I have used the wagos in boxes where the drywallers hit the wire with a rotozip. The nick in the wire made it about 2'' long easier to install the wago with a pigtail than getting in with a wire nut.

That's a technique I use as well.

 

[mdshunk]

That's a technique I use as well.

I do too, but I'm still not sure why I let them off the hook so easily. When you and I do that, we're basically hiding a code violation. I could point it out to the inspector to make him give me a red tag so that I could get a change order to fix it.

 

[Karl H]

I do too, but I'm still not sure why I let them off the hook so easily. When you and I do that, we're basically hiding a code violation. I could point it out to the inspector to make him give me a red tag so that I could get a change order to fix it.

Actually I have and back charged the drywallers for the repair
in order to pass final.

 

[Fulthrotl]

I still today tape recepts and switches
because of habit yes but,also I know someone with less knowledge of electricity will attempt to change them while energized.

i do as well. don't tape up receptacles and switches on plastic boxes,
do tape them on metal boxes. (can't use the word plugs... must remember)

back to the wago's.... trying to keep you guys all on the same
topic is like trying to herd 11 cats into the same corner of the room.

still haven't gone out to bbq the wago's for lunch, and now i'm snacking
on frito's. spoiled my appetite. i'll save the wago's for dinner.

seems that the main problem is that wago's are less tolerant of sloppy
install techniques. however, done correctly, i'm gonna go out on a
slippery and unpopular slope here, and say that i think there's less
chance of a wire coming out from under one of these, than there is
from one of 6 #12's coming out from under a wirenut. you can see
each conductor and if it's inserted fully.

as for twisting wires, that works well with solid, not with stranded
wire. the only stranded wire i use is fixture wires, if i can help it.

randy

 

[Karl H]

Actually I have and back charged the drywallers for the repair
in order to pass final.

While handing the bill to the Drywall Co owner.He told me he would have
his guys repair the wires.I laughed and said,"You're guys aren't electricians."
His reponse was;"it's just wire." My response; "It was just drywallers that caused the problem."

 

[MF Dagger]

i use the stab in connectors in the halo cans and never had a problem. you can wire up a light so fast with those things. problems only occur when they are installed wrong. if its UL listed then its fine. i still dont backstab devices i use the screws. just the way i was taught and how i like to do it.

and i wrap tape around devices in metal boxes :smile:

I have never seen a halo can with wagos that has all the wires seated properly.