water well & light/receptacle

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I am currently working on 2 houses in the county (no inspection), each will have their own private water well. The owners requested a light & receptacle in the well house (from the company digging & providing all equipment for the wells.
The contractor (who one of the houses belongs to) said that the well company will do the additional work for $40.00. :jawdrop:
The well company has pulled their wire {8/2 w/g UF [black, white & bare]} in conduit to the first well. :?

How many NEC violations will this be? 1 no grounded (neutral) wire; 2 receptacle & switch "probably" on a 30 amp breaker; 3 "possibly" no GFCI protection for receptacle ??

You'll thoughts & code articles please. Thanks :thumbsup:
 
JDB3 said:
I am currently working on 2 houses in the county (no inspection), each will have their own private water well. The owners requested a light & receptacle in the well house (from the company digging & providing all equipment for the wells.
The contractor (who one of the houses belongs to) said that the well company will do the additional work for $40.00. :jawdrop:
The well company has pulled their wire {8/2 w/g UF [black, white & bare]} in conduit to the first well. :?

How many NEC violations will this be? 1 no grounded (neutral) wire; 2 receptacle & switch "probably" on a 30 amp breaker; 3 "possibly" no GFCI protection for receptacle ??

You'll thoughts & code articles please. Thanks :thumbsup:
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Done all the time. You can not compete. You don't want anyone to die or get hurt but that is about the only way things will change. Maybe.
 
JDB3 said:
I am currently working on 2 houses in the county (no inspection), each will have their own private water well. The owners requested a light & receptacle in the well house (from the company digging & providing all equipment for the wells.
The contractor (who one of the houses belongs to) said that the well company will do the additional work for $40.00. :jawdrop:
The well company has pulled their wire {8/2 w/g UF [black, white & bare]} in conduit to the first well. :?

How many NEC violations will this be? 1 no grounded (neutral) wire; 2 receptacle & switch "probably" on a 30 amp breaker; 3 "possibly" no GFCI protection for receptacle ??

You'll thoughts & code articles please. Thanks :thumbsup:
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I would say the extent of the violations would all depend on the amperage of the receptacle and the voltage of the light.
Seeing as how its not mentioned, nor how the 8/2 w/g is landed, I don't see any violations at all yet. :)

JAP>
 
jap said:
I would say the extent of the violations would all depend on the amperage of the receptacle and the voltage of the light.
Seeing as how its not mentioned, nor how the 8/2 w/g is landed, I don't see any violations at all yet. :)

JAP>
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True, not yet installed. My money is on 120 volt switch & bulb ; 120 volt duplex receptacle.
 
jap said:
I would say the extent of the violations would all depend on the amperage of the receptacle and the voltage of the light.
Seeing as how its not mentioned, nor how the 8/2 w/g is landed, I don't see any violations at all yet. :)

JAP>
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You could be right. There may very well be a SDS established at the well. Complete with panel, GES, etc. yup, on second thought, I'm sure that will happen.:happysad:
 
Where does the 8-2 originate from? UF can't be used as service entrance cable, but if you used raceway and THWN you could use three wire supply to the well house if it originates from service pole.
 
JDB3 said:
The contractor (who one of the houses belongs to) said that the well company will do the additional work for $40.00. :jawdrop:
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Well contractor already covered the rest of electrical in his well installation. Should owner decide to hire an electrician all he loses out on is $40.00. Well guys might not make good electricians, but I'd say most are not stupid enough to do such an install for $40.00.
 
ptonsparky said:
You could be right. There may very well be a SDS established at the well. Complete with panel, GES, etc. yup, on second thought, I'm sure that will happen.:happysad:
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It wouldn't take a SDS with a GES established at the well house for a receptacle and a light to be installed If the receptacle and light that were installed didn't require a neutral return path.


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ptonsparky said:
Agreed. Small panel, no neutral, a recept for a 230v heater, and a 230v led, and a circuit for the well, cbs for each. All for $80. Sure enough.
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Forget the price the well installers said they could do it for.
You cant compare an electricians price to a well installer's price.

The well installers more than likely have enough overage in the price of the well that they could care less what a little extra for a light and a receptacle would cost them.

The Op's question was how many violations could we foresee without having all the information or without knowing what the well guys installed.

Until we know that, there are no violations, and it is possible there may not be any at all.


JAP>
 
If they run a 230 volt heater and light, then no they don't need a neutral wire.

But there is still 240.64 and 210.59G2, still need a 120 volt outlet. Need that neutral wire. And of course an additional gec from the sub panel to the 2 ground rods, or a ufer, and metallic piping system, if it exists,

theres no no way to do an new auxiliary building with out 4 conductors, unless you have a sds, as mentioned previously.

the OP must be in a state that the pump installer isn't required to have an electrical license and obtain an electrical permit to install a pump and wiring.
 
Dzboyce said:
If they run a 230 volt heater and light, then no they don't need a neutral wire.

But there is still 240.64 and 210.59G2, still need a 120 volt outlet. Need that neutral wire. And of course an additional gec from the sub panel to the 2 ground rods, or a ufer, and metallic piping system, if it exists,

theres no no way to do an new auxiliary building with out 4 conductors, unless you have a sds, as mentioned previously.

the OP must be in a state that the pump installer isn't required to have an electrical license and obtain an electrical permit to install a pump and wiring.
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What code are you on? There is no 240.64 or 210.59 in mine.
 
Dzboyce said:
If they run a 230 volt heater and light, then no they don't need a neutral wire.

But there is still 240.64 and 210.59G2, still need a 120 volt outlet. Need that neutral wire. And of course an additional gec from the sub panel to the 2 ground rods, or a ufer, and metallic piping system, if it exists,

theres no no way to do an new auxiliary building with out 4 conductors, unless you have a sds, as mentioned previously.

the OP must be in a state that the pump installer isn't required to have an electrical license and obtain an electrical permit to install a pump and wiring.
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And If the well pump is not 240v they don't need 240v at all, but here we go speculating again.

JAP>
 
Ok I mistyped the code numbers, let my pull the code book off my dash, (oh, that's another thread). The correct numbers are 210.50G2 and 210.64
 
Dzboyce said:
Ok I mistyped the code numbers, let my pull the code book off my dash, (oh, that's another thread). The correct numbers are 210.50G2 and 210.64
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How about 210.52(G)(2)?

210.64 only applies to services. The building in OP is supposedly feeder supplied.
 
kwired said:
Where does the 8-2 originate from? UF can't be used as service entrance cable, but if you used raceway and THWN you could use three wire supply to the well house if it originates from service pole.
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It comes from a sub-panel located at a detached garage that will have a 4 wire feed to it.
 
What does "SDS" stand for?
I just found out that a water softner will be install inside the well house. I have just heard of 1 that does not require electrical connection, the rest are 120 volt that i know of.
 
JDB3 said:
What does "SDS" stand for?
I just found out that a water softner will be install inside the well house. I have just heard of 1 that does not require electrical connection, the rest are 120 volt that i know of.
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SDS = separately derived system
 
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