What a waste

[electricmanscott]

Receptacles for dishwasher and disposal. Two twenty amp circuits. One probably would have been fine.

A 14/3 run to one box with a split duplex would have been ideal. Waste of 12/2, box, receptacle, cover and labor.

Not my work. I was there to finish what the other guy started. He probably went bankrupt.

It is more important than ever to be smart when using materials and labor. This is just plain stupid.

 

[Rewire]

Not to mention romex is now subject to physical damage and shoulkd be sleeved

 

[iwire]

Not to mention romex is now subject to physical damage and shoulkd be sleeved

I would say that is very debatable.

 

[electricmanscott]

I would say that is very debatable.

Debatable, but I wouldn't do it.

 

[K8MHZ]

It may be a 'motor load' thing that some inspectors are hung up on.

I have had to run dedicated circuits to each device as required by the inspector. I know that would be subject to debate, but it wasn't a big deal to comply with his request so we just did it.

 

[peter d]

I can say without hesitation that was installed by an ignoramus. Why such harsh words you ask. Because it's exactly as Scott said - in this day and age especially using materials and time efficiently is the name of the game. This installer did neither.

 

[peter d]

I have had to run dedicated circuits to each device as required by the inspector. I know that would be subject to debate, but it wasn't a big deal to comply with his request so we just did it.

The "electrician" who did this could have run a 12/3 to a single box and spilt wired a duplex receptacle if he was so bent on providing two dedicated circuits.

 

[billdozier]

well when the id 10t inspectors require two seperate ckts with thier own neutrals what else can you do. Heck the fridge has to have its own ckt as well cant tap off sa ckt. So whos wasting the money?

 

[peter d]

well when the id 10t inspectors require two seperate ckts with thier own neutrals what else can you do.

An inspector who requires separate neutrals is committing gross violation of his authority and should be challenged.

Heck the fridge has to have its own ckt as well cant tap off sa ckt.

Wrong.

 

[electricmanscott]

well when the id 10t inspectors require two seperate ckts with thier own neutrals what else can you do. Heck the fridge has to have its own ckt as well cant tap off sa ckt. So whos wasting the money?

I guess whoever does the installation is wasting the money.

 

[LarryFine]

well when the id 10t inspectors require two seperate ckts with thier own neutrals what else can you do. Heck the fridge has to have its own ckt as well cant tap off sa ckt. So whos wasting the money?

Depends:

If the locality has legally adopted these weird requirements, then it's the AHJ.

If they have not, then it's the contractor who kowtows to inspectors' whims.

 

[Rewire]

I would say that is very debatable.

10 to 12 inches of wire in a cabinet under a sink used for storage I would say their is a high likelyhood of this wire being subjected to pysical damage and the code doesn't make allowances for probabilities so any chance of physical damage should be taken into account.

 

[growler]

Not my work. I was there to finish what the other guy started. He probably went bankrupt.

It is more important than ever to be smart when using materials and labor. This is just plain stupid.

You are there to finish his work and you don't know what happened to him? :-?

 

[augie47]

When I first started in the trade, I would often question "why" someone did that.
Fast Forward and I find myself as a contractor installing a 100 amp panel per the customer's request after a number of questions about loads, future plans, etc.
The following week I find myself adding a 2nd panel when the customer decided to purchase additional equipment.
The insitial job was per customer specs and the end was to his desire and met Code. He was happy and paid well.
I'm sure some electrican will walk in that room one day and ask "what dummy" put two panels here instead of one adequate panel.
This scenerio has repeated itself many times over the years.
The wisdom of the electrican might be in question, but we should not judge not knwowing the facts.
"are you SURE you are not going to have a diswasher"

 

[peter d]

The wisdom of the electrican might be in question, but we should not judge not knwowing the facts.

This situation can be judged fair and square. If the electrician absolutely, positively wanted to provide 2-20 amp dedicated under the sink, which is fine and his prerogative, the smarter way to achieve this is with one 12/3 cable and a single box with a split wired duplex receptacle. Less time, less material, less effort.

 

[Mule]

Un-believeable how judgemental we get.....Those outlets will be there when then cows come homes,......maybe get hooked by something, but in the corner I doubt it. Just put a barrier of some sort to protect the romex, and go on......jeez and I cant believe some one complains because there are individual circuits.....

Sounds like a bunch of baptist women in a hair salon......................

 

[480sparky]

Anyone ever figured that maybe this is the way the owner wanted it to be?

Keep in mind, the NEC is a minimum, not a mandate. If the HO wanted separate, dedicated circuits for the disposal and the dishwasher, then all he's gotta do is fork over the dough.

Shoot, I'm bidding a home right now with two lovely specs: All metal boxes and no 15a circuits. I love it!

You guys keep wiring dwellings fast and cheap..... I've got bigger fish to fry.

 

[electricmanscott]

The wisdom of the electrican might be in question, but we should not judge not knwowing the facts.
"are you SURE you are not going to have a diswasher"

Nothing being judged here. The facts are the facts.

 

[electricmanscott]

You are there to finish his work and you don't know what happened to him? :-?

Gotta do what ya gotta do. And I did.

 

[nakulak]

I like the electrical, not too keen on the plumbing though.