What a waste

[PCN]

This situation can be judged fair and square. If the electrician absolutely, positively wanted to provide 2-20 amp dedicated under the sink, which is fine and his prerogative, the smarter way to achieve this is with one 12/3 cable and a single box with a split wired duplex receptacle. Less time, less material, less effort.

Maybe this was a T&M job and he needed to fill the rest of his day.
Less time, less material, less $$$
Maybe the second receptacle was a change order?

 

[Ed Carr]

Are those 240v recepts?

Ed

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Are those 240v recepts?

Ed

Hard to tell from the picture but I would guess they are 20 amp 125V recep. BTW- I have never seen a dw come with a 20 amp cord & plug.

 

[LarryFine]

Hard to tell from the picture but I would guess they are 20 amp 125V recep.

They are. The neutral is the T-slot, on the right when the ground is up.

BTW- I have never seen a dw come with a 20 amp cord & plug.

Single receptacle on a circuit must match the circuit rating.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Single receptacle on a circuit must match the circuit rating.

Right but just use a duplex

 

[LarryFine]

Right but just use a duplex

Yes, that's still a single receptacle per circuit. I don't know if a 3-wire circuit is considered a single circuit in this context.

I would have to say it's two circuits, especially if we want to argue the compliance of such a circuit for two single loads.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Yes, that's still a single receptacle per circuit. I don't know if a 3-wire circuit is considered a single circuit in this context.

:-? A duplex is not a single receptacle.

I meant a duplex for each unit

 

[LarryFine]

:-? A duplex is not a single receptacle.

No, it's two single receptacles.

I meant a duplex for each unit

That would be two duplexes; why two? That's still a waste for two dedicated-circuit loads.

I agree with the others who say a single duplex with a 3-wire circuit is the way to go.

The question here is whether a split duplex would need to be a 20a receptacle; I say yes.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

No, it's two single receptacles.


That would be two duplexes; why two? That's still a waste for two dedicated-circuit loads.

I agree with the others who say a single duplex with a 3-wire circuit is the way to go.

The question here is whether a split duplex would need to be a 20a receptacle; I say yes.

Well I would never wire a disposal with a cord and plug anyway. I would straight wire that and unless the dw comes with a cord and plug it would get straight wired also. Both would have a switch as the disconnect.

I was just suggesting that if you are going to have 2 boxes as the picture shows then I would use 2 duplex recep. 15 amp not 20 amp.

 

[LarryFine]

I was just suggesting that if you are going to have 2 boxes as the picture shows then I would use 2 duplex recep. 15 amp not 20 amp.

Regardless of the receptacles chosen, a single 4"sq box would have sufficed.

This installation suggests someone more familiar with commercial wiring than residential.

 

[ohm]

I can say without hesitation that was installed by an ignoramus. Why such harsh words you ask. Because it's exactly as Scott said - in this day and age especially using materials and time efficiently is the name of the game. This installer did neither.

I would have used less boxes, receptacles and wire but more staples.

BTW the plumber should have installed the disposer & DW drain and supply valve to the DW, or are they out of sight?

 

[tonyou812]

Receptacles for dishwasher and disposal. Two twenty amp circuits. One probably would have been fine.

A 14/3 run to one box with a split duplex would have been ideal. Waste of 12/2, box, receptacle, cover and labor.

Not my work. I was there to finish what the other guy started. He probably went bankrupt.

It is more important than ever to be smart when using materials and labor. This is just plain stupid.

I guess your a code minimum guy? And forget about future add on's with one of your homes. Havent you ever had to add a insta hot or some other appliance and you find a 14/2 feeding a 10.5 amp dishwasher and an 8 amp. Plus last time I checked a roll of 14/3 cost more than a roll of 12/2. .........whhhhhhhyyyy do so many guys do just the min????????????????? How much more does the other 12/2 really cost you? Plus its not really a factor if you are charging for the 12/2's.

 

[tonyou812]

I guess your a code minimum guy? And forget about future add on's with one of your homes. Havent you ever had to add a insta hot or some other appliance and you find a 14/2 feeding a 10.5 amp dishwasher and an 8 amp. Plus last time I checked a roll of 14/3 cost more than a roll of 12/2. .........whhhhhhhyyyy do so many guys do just the min????????????????? How much more does the other 12/2 really cost you? Plus its not really a factor if you are charging for the 12/2's.

Oh and I personally think the exposed romex and 1900's look like poop anyway. Come on dude your a pro cut that box in.........Can someone say lazy....

oopps I ment to edit not quote.

 

[Pierre C Belarge]

Since we do not know the story, we really should not judge what was installed, as has been mentioned, he may have been directed to install these receptacles as seen.

In regards to the "subject to physical damage", that as written is purely subjective and alway up to the particular inspector of record.
I myself do not see much chance of damage occuring in that corner. I would like to see a couple of staples.

 

[tonyou812]

Since we do not know the story, we really should not judge what was installed, as has been mentioned, he may have been directed to install these receptacles as seen.

In regards to the "subject to physical damage", that as written is purely subjective and alway up to the particular inspector of record.
I myself do not see much chance of damage occuring in that corner. I would like to see a couple of staples.

Oh I know, Im just talking shop. And I understand its under the sink and all and who cares , but for me it doesnt take that much longer to do it nice. And alot of people appreciate and notice when something is done better. Even if I had to surface mount it I would stub it through a pipe. God knows Ive failed for it not being in a sleeve.

 

[Pierre C Belarge]

I am not saying that it would be bad to sleeve it or provide an alternative to the method installed, but code wise, it is not so bad, as we all know the code is the worst you one can install and still pass.

 

[electricmanscott]

I guess your a code minimum guy? And forget about future add on's with one of your homes. Havent you ever had to add a insta hot or some other appliance and you find a 14/2 feeding a 10.5 amp dishwasher and an 8 amp. Plus last time I checked a roll of 14/3 cost more than a roll of 12/2. .........whhhhhhhyyyy do so many guys do just the min????????????????? How much more does the other 12/2 really cost you? Plus its not really a factor if you are charging for the 12/2's.

What does an insta hot have to do with anything. Wouldn't you run another circuit for it?

Maybe we should run a range receptacle in there. You just never know.

For the job at hand two twenty amp circuits is a waste in my view. The customer paid for more than was necessary.

No need no get worked up about it.

 

[electricmanscott]

Well I would never wire a disposal with a cord and plug anyway. I would straight wire that and unless the dw comes with a cord and plug it would get straight wired also. Both would have a switch as the disconnect.

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In a case like this the cords have been installed on the appliances so there is no need to come back after they have been installed.

That's mostly the reason I cord and plug all the time. I do lots of kitchens and you never know who's coming when.

 

[steelersman]

10 to 12 inches of wire in a cabinet under a sink used for storage I would say their is a high likelyhood of this wire being subjected to pysical damage and the code doesn't make allowances for probabilities so any chance of physical damage should be taken into account.

What about the 4 ott SE-U coming from the meter can into the house that isn't in a conduit or protected?

 

[bradleyelectric]

What about the 4 ott SE-U coming from the meter can into the house that isn't in a conduit or protected?

It's not under the sink.