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steelersman

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Pierre C Belarge said:
I am usually surprised to see the cable through the floor under dishwashers. I would think that the logical location for the cable would be under the sink.
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well something has to be under the dishwasher. Whether it's the romex (hardwired, which is the only way I've done and seen it done) or a cord it's going to be under the DW as the factory j-box is in the front right side of the DW.
 
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rt66electric

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jumping in on the argument

jumping in on the argument

This looks like a aftermarket sevice call installation. The customer may have spent over $600 on labor. The cost of materials on the second circuit may run only $25. I as a serviceman always try to give the customer more than the asked for. I basically refuse to do the absolute-by-the-code-bare-minimum, because I know that a year later they won't be satisfied and proceed to tell other other people that I was a idiot for doing what they asked. On the other hand if I run another circut, or preplan for thier next project, or add another oulet in a convient location. They are very happy and give out glowing recommedations.

In my jurisdiction 14-2 is basically banned anywhere in a dwelling.

In the OP picture the only violation I see is that the romex needs to be sleeved in greenfield or such. The customer may realized that he has enough power available for undercabinet lighting or more ampacity for countertop recepts, and may call you back for additional projects.

On the other hand- the cheapo slumlord will never be

happy.
 
Fulthrotl

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Pierre C Belarge said:
If one cannot or does not want to comply with the protection from physical damage when installing a cable through the floor, than a relocation of the location of the cable is in order.
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ok, i saw the picture way back at the beginning of this thread, and i'm
just puzzled why the boxes were not mounted on the back of the cabinet,
side by side, with the romex exiting the bottom into that nasty ugly hole
that was cut. the boxes would have hidden that butchered hole, and made
half of the posts here unnecessary. i wonder if the person who installed this
knew how much of our valuable time would be lost on a sunday evaluating
both is work, and his family heritage....:D
 
electricmanscott

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iaov said:
This has got to be one of the sillier threads I've ever read here. No one knows the history of this install. These circuits may have been installed at completely different times! And who knows what the instructions may have been. A dozen electricians have a dozen ideas on how to do something!Huh!! The only thing I can say for sure is it appears to be a neat,safe, (I don't think the Romex is in harms way)user friendly install.
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May be silly, but you commented. Welcome to our level. :D

Also we do know the history of the install.
 
electricmanscott

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George Stolz said:
Goodness gracious! The cost to run two 12/2 cables instead of a 12/3 is $6.40 a roll?!? How will I be able to overcome such a drastic oversight? :D

Much ado over nothing. Aside from the protection issues, there isn't a problem in the picture, IMO.
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As Pete pointed out these are things you better start thinking about. We don't want you to become a statistic. :wink:

The cost of the wire may be an addtional six bucks, but keep in mind it didn't install itself. The extra box, cover and receptacle weren't free either.

In this case it is not really a big deal. Multiply this lack of thinking over many jobs and it gets expensive.

It was the mentality of the install more so than the actuall installation. Which I still think stinks. :grin:
 
tonyou812

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Aww come on just admit it already .....you guys are bare bone , code minimum, electricians and you love it. So be cheap and be proud, cause we all still love you guys. pphhhsss this bud is for you.
 
LarryFine

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rt66electric said:
. . . I know that a year later they won't be satisfied and proceed to tell other other people that I was a idiot for doing what they asked.
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"He's a terrible electrician! He did what I wanted done!" Horrors! :rolleyes:

On the other hand if I run another circut, or preplan for thier next project, or add another oulet in a convient location. They are very happy and give out glowing recommedations.
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Either that, or the next guy they hire makes money on your foresight.
 
quogueelectric

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I get a minimum of 3200-3500 for a kitchen and there is plenty of wiggle room for 8-20 amp cks. I buy a 1000 ft reel of 12-3 and have the rest of the reel usually 600ft to use for other jobs however long it lasts. I love doing kitchens. Never had a callback. Set it and forget it.
 
cowboyjwc

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You would be surprise how many electricians and inspectors, for that matter, that think two 20 or even one 20 amp circuit is required for the DW and disposal.
 
Rewire

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cowboyjwc said:
You would be surprise how many electricians and inspectors, for that matter, that think two 20 or even one 20 amp circuit is required for the DW and disposal.
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I have had an inspector ask me were the "circuit" for the garbage disposer was. I pointed out that their was no garbage disposer then he says well what if they put one in and I replied they will call me and pay for it.
 
steelersman

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Rewire said:
I have had an inspector ask me were the "circuit" for the garbage disposer was. I pointed out that their was no garbage disposer then he says well what if they put one in and I replied they will call me and pay for it.
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inspectors or people for that matter with that idea should be put out of their misery.
 
LarryFine

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Rewire said:
I have had an inspector ask me were the "circuit" for the garbage disposer was. I pointed out that their was no garbage disposer then he says well what if they put one in and I replied they will call me and pay for it.
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Does he also insist on a microwave circuit, or a hot tub circuit, or a detached garage circuit, or . . .
 
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