Originally posted by electricmanscott:
File under dumb *** NEC requirements.
The Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary, 11th Edition is available online here as a subscription service.Originally posted by sandsnow:
Sam
Prepare to be happier, maybe
The dictionary is referenced in the NFPA manual of style. Section 3.2.1.2 Link below:
http://www.nfpa.org/assets/files/PDF/MOS1-3.pdf
Quote manual below:
Spelling and definitions of general words and terms shall follow Websters Collegiate Dictionary, 11th Edition.
So does anyone have one of these?
What I don't know is if this is to be used when enforcing the nec.
Originally posted by iwire:
I don't think it is the job of the NEC to govern this type of equipment. To me this sets a bad precedent and if I were with the UL or another NRTL I would have a huge problem with this. Where does the line get drawn? Of course I do not want to see people hurt or killed but I don't like this approach. Why only vending machines?Originally posted by electricmanscott:
File under dumb *** NEC requirements.
Steve the NEC sees it that way also, the integral GFCI must be no more than 12" from the plug.Originally posted by steve66:
But if the GFI is inside the vending machine, it won't solve the problem that has happened in the past. For example, assume the ground pin gets broke off the machines plug. Then the machine gets moved so it sets on the hot conductor of the line cord. Any GFI inside the machine will be helpless to see this fault (and even if it could see the fault, it would be helpless to shut off the power to the fault).
I think the vending machines should be required to have a GFI device on their plug (like my hair dryer).
Steve
422.51 Cord-and-Plug-Connected Vending Machines
Cord-and-plug-connected vending machines manufactured or re-manufactured on or after January 1, 2005, shall include a ground-fault circuit interrupter as an integral part of the attachment plug or located in the power supply cord within 300 mm (12 in.) of the attachment plug. Cord-and-plug-connected vending machines not incorporating integral GFCI protection shall be connected to a GFCI protected outlet.
The precedent has already been set with portable electric signs. See GFCI req's in 600-10(c)(2) Also the NEC specifies how RV's are to be wired. It also defines how raceways and cables are to be constructed. So, there are many products covered by the NEC already.Originally posted by electricmanscott:
I don't think it is the job of the NEC to govern this type of equipment. To me this sets a bad precedent and if I were with the UL or another NRTL I would have a huge problem with this. Where does the line get drawn? Of course I do not want to see people hurt or killed but I don't like this approach. Why only vending machines?
Thanks BobOriginally posted by rbalex:
Great catch Larry.
nothing will be as funny as your boy pulling that truck home with 10/2 in your previous post,,,,,,,,I laugh every time I think about that.That was your post wasn't it?Originally posted by jimwalker:
jap if you put your card in it money should come back out.OOPS i forgot your an electrician too so maybe no money will come out