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My list of "WhaddaHeck!" items, is as follows:

1: Where is the GEC?

2: Neutral Bus is isolated from Enclosure, so the Panelboard _APPEARS_ not to be bonded to the GES,

3: The Two or Three twisted Wires under the same Lug, when ample space is available on the Bus Bar above,

4: Black Insulation on the above mentioned twisted Conductors,

5: #14 or #12 on 30 Amp OCPD:
* Possible Motor Circuits,
or
* "Fix The Nuiscance Tripping Issues"

6: K.O. seals DO exist in sizes larger than 3/4"! They also exist in 1-1/2" and 2" sizes!
Wood is not a K.O. seal, unless accepted by the AHJ! ;)

7: Pick One brand of OCPD, and stick with that brand!,

and lastly,

8: The Three Stooges could do cleaner work!

Scott
 
peter d said:
Good point.

A guy swinging an axe or a chainsaw down near the panel might damage those cables.
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I'm going to quote IWIRE here,
"Glad you included that I would not have figured it out as your a better electrician then a comedian."
:D:D:D
 
David C. Adkins said:
Everyone of the cables should be sleeved with flex after leaving the bottom of the floor joist.
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334.15(C) ". . . NM cable installed on the wall of an unfinished basement shall be permitted to be installed in a listed conduit or tubing or shall be protected in accordance with 300.4 . . ."

That # 8 ground wire should be in half inch emt, if it were # 6 and came in the top, I would allow it.
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250.64(B) ". . . Grounding electrode conductors smaller than 6 AWG shall be in rigid conduit, intermediate metal conduit, rigid metal conduit, electrical metallic tubing, or cable armor."

That SEU or SER cable feeding the panel has traveled some distance from the meter, so there should be a main on the other end and this should now be a sub-panel with a separate ground and neutral bar.
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230.70(A)(1) ". . .nearest the point of entrance . . ."

And if the circuitry on a few of those circuits were split up and made into a few more circuits, we could do away with those 30tys !This is why we have codes !
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I don't see anything that is necessarily wrong with David's comments. I put plywood behind basement panels. The NM is not "installed on the wall" that way. "Nearest" the point of entrance is a local intereptation. I've found up to 10' being accepted.
Welcome to the forum David. Give 'em references when you can.
 
Volta said:
I don't see anything that is necessarily wrong with David's comments.
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Obviously my comments about axes and chainsaws damaging the NM cables are intended to be humorous, but they are true as well. What is going to cause damage to those cables and the GEC? Nothing, absolutely nothing.
 
peter d said:
Obviously my comments about axes and chainsaws damaging the NM cables are intended to be humorous, but they are true as well. What is going to cause damage to those cables and the GEC? Nothing, absolutely nothing.
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I know, nothing is going to happen. I know that all sorts of stuff gets leaned on basement walls, lumber scap, boxes of junk, who knows what. But I know you can bruise a NM pretty hard before there is usually a problem.
Just trying to point out to David that an actual NEC reference might get a more favorable response. I think he was pretty much right codewise, just lacking the sections. I never use a # 8 GEC for conduit reasons (never a white one either!).
Nor do I actually worry about cables to a panel on the wall in real life, just playing with Codes here.:cool:
 
Volta said:
I know, nothing is going to happen. I know that all sorts of stuff gets leaned on basement walls, lumber scap, boxes of junk, who knows what. But I know you can bruise a NM pretty hard before there is usually a problem.
Just trying to point out to David that an actual NEC reference might get a more favorable response. I think he was pretty much right codewise, just lacking the sections. I never use a # 8 GEC for conduit reasons (never a white one either!).
Nor do I actually worry about cables to a panel on the wall in real life, just playing with Codes here.:cool:
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the GEC isn't a number 8
 
Maybe

Maybe

steelersman said:
the GEC isn't a number 8
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You might be right, I can't tell from here. Maybe ivsenroute will say. Hopefully it's a # 6 then. I make assumptions all the time. I assume this is a basement, a dwelling unit, the panel is at least 30 years old, and I could be wrong on all counts.
 
Volta said:
You might be right, I can't tell from here. Maybe ivsenroute will say. Hopefully it's a # 6 then. I make assumptions all the time. I assume this is a basement, a dwelling unit, the panel is at least 30 years old, and I could be wrong on all counts.
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I think it's a #10. Even worse yet.
 
Sure looks like #8 to me. That was funny peter D. I agree that sleeving the nm to protect against phisical damage is a little over the top. Some of us could be a little more open to diferent interpitations before slamming someone. David had some valid points. ...Subject to phisical damage..., ...nearest the point of entrance....., These things are up to the AHJ.

Btw, that is a KO seal (rusty) in the top of the box.
 
S'mise said:
You can get it in any color you want. (Well unless you are looking for Teal or chartreuse.:D)
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Call South wire, If the order is big enough you can get any color you want. Just grab you paint chip cards from the Home Depot and write a check.
 
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