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Let's post the code section. It is sad that an inspector does not know this.


From the 2011 NEC but it has been the same for long time.

210.52(A)(2) Wall Space. As used in this section, a wall space shall include the following:

(1) Any space 600 mm (2 ft) or more in width (including space measured around corners) and unbroken along the floor line by doorways, fireplaces, and similar openings

(2) The space occupied by fixed panels in exterior walls, excluding sliding panels

(3) The space afforded by fixed room dividers such as free-standing bar-type counters or railings
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I agree with the others as well and think MJF has a good point too.

Roger
 
wirebender said:
It looks to me like the receptacle is more than 6 feet from the edge of the door if you count the stud bays. That is probably what the problem was.
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I don't see a door in the photo submitted:huh:

There may be a door to the left of the receptacle shown, but it appears to be well within 6 ft, to the right - don't really know how far we go before hitting a door or have another receptacle.
 
kwired said:
I don't see a door in the photo submitted:huh:

There may be a door to the left of the receptacle shown, but it appears to be well within 6 ft, to the right - don't really know how far we go before hitting a door or have another receptacle.
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If we are talking about the photo in post #11, I can see the area to the right of the triple stud (at the end of the arrow marked "door") as being a doorway opening.
There is a lot of crud piled up there, and the stain on the floor looks a lot like a continuous sill plate, but on careful consideration I will go along with the OP and call that a doorway.
I will consider though that once a pre- hung door is in the opening, the 25" could be more like 27". And added to "less than 4' " it may end up over six feet.
 
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kwired said:
I don't see a door in the photo submitted:huh:

There may be a door to the left of the receptacle shown, but it appears to be well within 6 ft, to the right - don't really know how far we go before hitting a door or have another receptacle.
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There is an arrow pointing to the door. There are 5 stud bays from the door to the receptacle.
 
wirebender said:
There is an arrow pointing to the door. There are 5 stud bays from the door to the receptacle.
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I see the word door on the floor - yet no indication of just where it is located. Maybe a crawlspace access will be in the floor?? Probably is a door at the left side of the photo, on the right side the bottom plate of the wall goes all the way to the right edge of photo.

If there is two doors like being described one could have placed the original outlet further to the right and as long as it were less then six feet from each door - one receptacle would have been fine.
 
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kwired said:
I see the word door on the floor - yet no indication of just where it is located. Maybe a crawlspace access will be in the floor?? Probably is a door at the left side of the photo, on the right side the bottom plate of the wall goes all the way to the right edge of photo.

If there is two doors like being described one could have placed the original outlet further to the right and as long as it were less then six feet from each door - one receptacle would have been fine.
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The "door arrow" points to the right hand top part of the photo. whether the doorway is parallel or perpendicular to the wall on the left hand side of the picture is really immaterial because there are 5+ stud bays (over 6 feet) to the originally installed first outlet either way.
 
kwired said:
I see the word door on the floor - yet no indication of just where it is located. Maybe a crawlspace access will be in the floor?? Probably is a door at the left side of the photo, on the right side the bottom plate of the wall goes all the way to the right edge of photo.

If there is two doors like being described one could have placed the original outlet further to the right and as long as it were less then six feet from each door - one receptacle would have been fine.
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1. The word "door" is near the tail of an arrow. Follow the arrow. (Color blind maybe?)
2. What you think you see going across the floor is not the bottom plate. It is in front of the studs, not under them.
It is not a very clear picture, but enlarging it helps.
 
GoldDigger said:
1. The word "door" is near the tail of an arrow. Follow the arrow. (Color blind maybe?)
2. What you think you see going across the floor is not the bottom plate. It is in front of the studs, not under them.
It is not a very clear picture, but enlarging it helps.
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I think the OP must have used some of those invisible pixels on my copy, I don't see any arrow related to the word "door"

Clear picture is not as much of an issue as zooming out just a little may have helped.
 
kwired said:
I think the OP must have used some of those invisible pixels on my copy, I don't see any arrow related to the word "door"

Clear picture is not as much of an issue as zooming out just a little may have helped.
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The word "Door" is in black type while the arrow is hand drawn in low contrast red. That is why I mentioned possible color blindness effect.
There is also additional descriptive text in red.
Try viewing in Photoshop through a green filter or as a color separation. :)
 
GoldDigger said:
The word "Door" is in black type while the arrow is hand drawn in low contrast red. That is why I mentioned possible color blindness effect.
There is also additional descriptive text in red.
Try viewing in Photoshop through a green filter or as a color separation. :)
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The red text and red arrow is pointing out the receptacle that was added, not about the existence of any door.
 
GoldDigger said:
There is a faint red arrow whose tail is near the word door and whose head is on the triple stud. Plain as the nose on the back of my hand. :)
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I admit I do have some color blindness issues. I may barely see part of what you are talking about after looking pretty closely. But the arrow that I think I see is on the next stud to the right of the "tripled" stud.

That or there is just invisible pixels used on my copy:)
 
StanleyBeau said:
This picture is of the job last month that was flagged for not having a receptacle in the 25" wall on the right of the photo. This photo was taken after the addition of the new receptacle. Why would this count as a wall? Why can't it be considered as a zigzag as you previously said?
The inspector didn't care that there's a receptacle 4' away. He kept saying it's a wall more than 24".
He passed the job only after the addition of the receptacle.
Thanks Dennis
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Measuring from the outlet to the right going around the corner is over 6'. That's why it needed to be added. 6' 1" Boom! need outlet.
 
Cavie said:
Measuring from the outlet to the right going around the corner is over 6'. That's why it needed to be added. 6' 1" Boom! need outlet.
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So, if the original outlet had been one bay to the right it would have been OK (on that side anyway); but I suspect the inspector would have tagged it anyway based on the OP's report of his reasoning.
 
kwired said:
I admit I do have some color blindness issues. I may barely see part of what you are talking about after looking pretty closely. But the arrow that I think I see is on the next stud to the right of the "tripled" stud.

That or there is just invisible pixels used on my copy:)
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Damn man, give it a rest.

It's there, if you can't see it consider a new monitor. :p
 
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