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quogueelectric said:
(So Colorado)Has state mandated licensing also?? Is it contractor journeyman or aprentice like Conn?
Colorado mandates all electricians be licensed. The levels are Apprentice (freely given), Residential Wireman (2 years resi experience), Journeyman Wireman (4 years, at least 2 of which in commercial experience), Master Electrician (5 years, JW plus 1 year of 'layout and planning'), Electrical Contractor (must have a Master on record).

All license levels require an examination, and a mailed renewal exam every two years thereafter.

BTW, it's easier to read (and quote) if you don't put part of your post in the "Title" field of a post.
 
you are correct

you are correct

georgestolz said:
Colorado mandates all electricians be licensed. The levels are Apprentice (freely given), Residential Wireman (2 years resi experience), Journeyman Wireman (4 years, at least 2 of which in commercial experience), Master Electrician (5 years, JW plus 1 year of 'layout and planning'), Electrical Contractor (must have a Master on record).

All license levels require an examination, and a mailed renewal exam every two years thereafter.

BTW, it's easier to read (and quote) if you don't put part of your post in the "Title" field of a post.
I will try to remember not to do this anymore. I would think that the insurance companys would be pushing for state licensing they have lots of lawyers and deep pockets. It truly is a better system. And it would surely benefit them in the long run.
 
No joke I am interested

No joke I am interested

Pierre C Belarge said:
Qoug
Are you seriously interested in trying to make a change to the licensing situation in NYS?

If so, start a by putting together a sign up sheet. Have licensed electrical contractors put their pertinent information including a signature on the sheet.
Provide separate sheets for, electricians, 'john q public, and for "business owners".

Start collecting the signatures and I will let you know a little more about the actions that have recently been started.
Signatures state wide will be very important!!!
If there is anyone else who is from NYS that is reading this, you can do the same for your area.
Contact me if you only if you are very, very seriously interested. ;)

This is no joke by the way.
I will pm you on the details but I think this action would be a great service to the state of New York.
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
George
How does the mailed renewal test work?
Have you particated in this or is it new to the state?
They mail you a 20 question test in the mail, and in the past you complete it and mail it in and enclose a check ($30 RW, $48 JW, $50 Master).

Now, the renewal is completed online. Every electrician has the same expiration date on their license, so everybody renews at the same time. Apparently, many other states use the same test and timetable, as the forum gets flooded with these renewal questions about three months before the Colorado licenses expire in February of an odd numbered year (2005, 2007, 2009).

Quoque said:
I will try to remember not to do this anymore.
Not a big deal, but appreciated. :cool:
 
wbalsam1 said:
Oh my goodness. I laughed right out loud when I read the above...:grin: :grin: Until I realized it's probably true.....I've been sobbing ever since.....

Yeah, when you appreciate that irony, you start to understand why I'm opposed to any new state licensing programs, electrical or otherwise. It has nothing to do with maintaining statewide competence standards or allowing jurisdictional freedom of movement. It's more a case of "be careful what you ask for" -- I don't doubt for a second that they'll just add another set of fees and requirements on top of any existing ones.

NYS is already bad enough for business, we don't need to encourage them to make it worse. :)
 
quogueelectric said:
I am not so worried about that it is just frustrating that everything seems so much simpler in Conn. and it could be here too but someone has to start the ball rolling so it may as well be me. Oh btw the daylaborors at the mill road 7-11 in westhampton are mostly from guatemala.

Think about this - why stop at Statewide? Heck, we're all under the same National Code. Why not a Federal license?

This way, when the economy starts to falter like it is now, we can look forward to 2000 ex-tract housing ya-hoos from the South hanging shingles from motel room windows.
 
quogueelectric said:
I will pm you on the details but I think this action would be a great service to the state of New York.

Please explain how. What good will it do John Q. Public of Poughkeepsie, NY, that an EC from Westbury Long Island can work in that jurisdiction?
 
The whole point is

The whole point is

LawnGuyLandSparky said:
Please explain how. What good will it do John Q. Public of Poughkeepsie, NY, that an EC from Westbury Long Island can work in that jurisdiction?
To work in westbury you may need 18 different nassau county licenses alone to work in a 30 mile radius of westbury and it is bullcrap. That is why so many people just hire trunkslam electric because they will do it cheaper for cash with no regulation and no one will get paid and the homeowner doesnt have a clue for the qualifications of mr trunkslam. Suffolk county is 400$ alone for 2 yrs Southampton town tacks on annother 75 to 100 per year. The other 18 nassau county licences are probably at least 200 per year which you could get the major3 which covers about 75% of Nassau. Is INSANE OR you could just get your state licence pay a hundred dollars and call it a day. You prove you are qualified to the state run testing company and you are done. Not taking a practical with Billy Bob electrics Cousin who is pulling out oddball pieces of wire out of a bag and asking you what type of wire it is.
 
If this is what you are worried about

If this is what you are worried about

LawnGuyLandSparky said:
Think about this - why stop at Statewide? Heck, we're all under the same National Code. Why not a Federal license?

This way, when the economy starts to falter like it is now, we can look forward to 2000 ex-tract housing ya-hoos from the South hanging shingles from motel room windows.
Then they would have already moved into Connecticut and Colorado where state licesing is in effect. Anybody from these states seen any yahoos wandering around the motels??
 
quogueelectric said:
Then they would have already moved into Connecticut and Colorado where state licesing is in effect. Anybody from these states seen any yahoos wandering around the motels??

It still happens....but it's much more difficult to get away with than say...Pennsylvania where pretty much anything goes.
 
quogueelectric said:
To work in westbury you may need 18 different nassau county licenses alone to work in a 30 mile radius of westbury and it is bullcrap.

I'm going to agree with you on that, it does not make sense that you need a license in each of the 3 Nassau Townships, and then additional licenses within their towns or incorporated villages. If I remember correctly, it was Massapequa or Massepequa park that also required an additional license. I know there are others.

As another poster pointed out, it should only require you register with those sub-jurisdictions, free of charge, so that you're kept "in the loop" with their specific additional code requirements. (Was it Oyster Bay that required a 20a A/C receptacle and circuit in every bedroom if the house did not have central A/C?)

That is why so many people just hire trunkslam electric because they will do it cheaper for cash with no regulation and no one will get paid and the homeowner doesnt have a clue for the qualifications of mr trunkslam.

I submit the reason isn't that simple. First, in these multiple enclaves where additional licensing is required, it is usually a town or village employee, a building inspector that would check the work. Work which most likely the owners do not want the authorities to know even occured. Because they don't want their taxes raised. Also, a lot of the work is illegal to begin with, starting with the basement bedrooms or apartments all the way to the Town of Hempstead's building department supervisor building an entire 2nd floor addition and in-law apartment without a single inspection or tax reassessment. Think that was wired by a trunk-slammer? No, it was wired by a licensed electrical contractor who was told, and complied, NOT to file for permits.

I cannot begin to count the number of houses and storefronts I see being renovated that display no permits. You're probably as aware as I am, 10x more work never gets permitted or inspected on Long Island than actually does. And much of it is by licensed contractors.

I doubt a Statewide license will change it at all.

As for the trunkslammers, I can speak for myself and on behalf of the 2-3 dozen I personally know who've engage in sidework to one extent or another, we do this for a professional living too, and at least our work is head and shoulders better than any licensed E/C's remotely-dispatched "crew" of a "Junior Mechanic" and a "helper" who've got less than 1 year FORMAL training between them could ever hope to be. Not every trunkslammer is a drunken handyman / electrician wannabee.

Suffolk county is 400$ alone for 2 yrs Southampton town tacks on annother 75 to 100 per year. The other 18 nassau county licences are probably at least 200 per year which you could get the major3 which covers about 75% of Nassau. Is INSANE OR you could just get your state licence pay a hundred dollars and call it a day. You prove you are qualified to the state run testing company and you are done. Not taking a practical with Billy Bob electrics Cousin who is pulling out oddball pieces of wire out of a bag and asking you what type of wire it is.

LOL, is that really how it's done?

On another front, how about these towns and villages adopt a uniform code, and be barred from making exceptions to it without proving some kind of logical reasoning other than "it;s a law we adopted?" I remember in one of Nassau's towns, you couldn't feed-thru a GFCI, the device had to be in each GFCI required location.

In my own home, I had to run galvanized gas pipe, but in Smithtown black pipe is perfectly acceptable.

When I replaced my windows and doors I did NOT need a permit as long as the header was going to remain unchanged. But in some areas you need a building permit to re-shingle aroof!
 
LawnGuyLandSparky said:
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As for the trunkslammers, I can speak for myself and on behalf of the 2-3 dozen I personally know who've engage in sidework to one extent or another, we do this for a professional living too, and at least our work is head and shoulders better than any licensed E/C's remotely-dispatched "crew" of a "Junior Mechanic" and a "helper" who've got less than 1 year FORMAL training between them could ever hope to be.

You're kidding with these comments, right? :roll:
 
NYS Statewide LIcense

NYS Statewide LIcense

What would be the purpose of a statewide license?

I happen to agree that this would result in additional fees to the electrical contractors.

Once a municipality has the revenue it will not give it up. They would then start to charge larger fees per permit to make up the loss. Now you have a fee for your statewide license and additional fees for every job you do in each municipality. (Some municipalities in NYS don't require electrical permits.)

As for licensed journeymen and apprentices, I am in full agreement with this.
There are far too many unqualifed persons doing electrical work.

The problem with NYS is that there would be no provisions for enforcement, so any law would become a joke. Even Connecticut, lacks enforcement officers.

I think the first step NYS should take is to "license or qualify" electrical inspectors.

The electrical inspection situation in NYS is embrassing. At a contractors meeting several years ago, a high ranking code official told the group that the local AHJ could use the local librarian to do electrical inspections, and the state could do nothing about it.

It has been said before on this forum that licensing does not make for better electricians or a better installation, it is STRICT enforcement of NYS codes


Thanks.

Joe Villani
 
LawnGuyLandSparky said:
I cannot begin to count the number of houses and storefronts I see being renovated that display no permits. You're probably as aware as I am, 10x more work never gets permitted or inspected on Long Island than actually does. And much of it is by licensed contractors.


As for the trunkslammers, I can speak for myself and on behalf of the 2-3 dozen I personally know who've engage in sidework to one extent or another, we do this for a professional living too, and at least our work is head and shoulders better than any licensed E/C's remotely-dispatched "crew" of a "Junior Mechanic" and a "helper" who've got less than 1 year FORMAL training between them could ever hope to be. Not every trunkslammer is a drunken handyman / electrician wannabee.

If you are so concerned, why have you not notified the proper authorities?


You are doing sidework, most likely without a permit or license and you are complaining about others who are doing just like you...talk about the pot calling the kettle black.


In defense of a statewide license, here is something you may come up against when/if you get a license.
An EC has been working for a very good company for 10 years. That company is relocating to the next county and wants you to wire their entire offices and plant...a substantial job that will last at least a year or more and you will continue working in their plant afterwards...only-you cannot do the job, as the next county has a different license and in order for you to get a license there you will have to take a test you will not be able to pass. So you just lost a good customer. That is ridiculous, but very true.
That is just one of the reasons for a statewide license. As far as YAHOOS coming to town, let me tell you those yahoos are here. They work on the weekends, nights, days and run when caught.
 
Joe Villani said:
...........(Some municipalities in NYS don't require electrical permits.)...........
All municipalities within the state are required to issue building permits for electrical work. The fact is, as you well know, many communities do not enforce this provision. :smile:

Joe Villani said:
...........I think the first step NYS should take is to "license or qualify" electrical inspectors..............
Yes! :smile:

Joe Villani said:
....The electrical inspection situation in NYS is embrassing. At a contractors meeting several years ago, a high ranking code official told the group that the local AHJ could use the local librarian to do electrical inspections, and the state could do nothing about it. .........Joe Villani
Very embarrassing. In most communities across the state, anybody can be an inspector overnight or quicker. No training or demonstration of competence necessary. This is true. :mad: :smile:
 
wbalsam1 said:
All municipalities within the state are required to issue building permits for electrical work.....

A few years ago I tried to get Otisco NY to issue me a permit on a pretty big job. They looked at me like I was from Mars and told me there was no such permit to be issued. I told 'em all I wanted was a building permit with just the "electrical" box checked, and they had a pretty good laugh over it.

Boonies will be boonies.... :)
 
hogwash

hogwash

Joe Villani said:
What would be the purpose of a statewide license?

I happen to agree that this would result in additional fees to the electrical contractors.

Once a municipality has the revenue it will not give it up. They would then start to charge larger fees per permit to make up the loss. Now you have a fee for your statewide license and additional fees for every job you do in each municipality. (Some municipalities in NYS don't require electrical permits.)

As for licensed journeymen and apprentices, I am in full agreement with this.
There are far too many unqualifed persons doing electrical work.

The problem with NYS is that there would be no provisions for enforcement, so any law would become a joke. Even Connecticut, lacks enforcement officers.

I think the first step NYS should take is to "license or qualify" electrical inspectors.

The electrical inspection situation in NYS is embrassing. At a contractors meeting several years ago, a high ranking code official told the group that the local AHJ could use the local librarian to do electrical inspections, and the state could do nothing about it.

It has been said before on this forum that licensing does not make for better electricians or a better installation, it is STRICT enforcement of NYS codes


Thanks.

Joe Villani
UN uniform licensing is HOGWASH. And it would not add to fees if you think this please explain how it would add to fees for contractors.The electrical inspectors in my area are wonderful.
 
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