Where would you begin

[LawnGuyLandSparky]

If you are so concerned, why have you not notified the proper authorities?

I'm not concerned, I am simply pointing out that even though licensing / permits are the law, it's not complied with even by those who claim they're "legitimate." A statewide license wouldn't change this.

You are doing sidework, most likely without a permit or license and you are complaining about others who are doing just like you...talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Not complaining, just pointing it out.

In defense of a statewide license, here is something you may come up against when/if you get a license.
An EC has been working for a very good company for 10 years. That company is relocating to the next county and wants you to wire their entire offices and plant...a substantial job that will last at least a year or more and you will continue working in their plant afterwards...only-you cannot do the job, as the next county has a different license and in order for you to get a license there you will have to take a test you will not be able to pass. So you just lost a good customer. That is ridiculous, but very true.

And someone else just gained a good customer.

That is just one of the reasons for a statewide license. As far as YAHOOS coming to town, let me tell you those yahoos are here. They work on the weekends, nights, days and run when caught.

And how would Statewide licensing improve that situation?

 

[nakulak]

I think a statewide license would be great for New York. I'm all for it. 100%. no, make that 110%.

It would do y'all good.

 

[quogueelectric]

people buy and sell thier licenses for cash

people buy and sell thier licenses for cash

I'm not concerned, I am simply pointing out that even though licensing / permits are the law, it's not complied with even by those who claim they're "legitimate." A statewide license wouldn't change this.



Not complaining, just pointing it out.



And someone else just gained a good customer.



And how would Statewide licensing improve that situation?

The reality is now you want a job covered in a town that you are not licensed there are those that will cover your job for lets say 500$ you tack it on and hope you get the job but now the licensee is now your partner on this job and who is to say what percent partner? He does a dozen jobs in a year at 500 a clip from you and stays home and counts cash. There are those guys out there I have heard. This is all hypothetical of course you know. To even change 1 recepyacle in Smithtown you are supposed to pull a permit some places are very strict.

 

[elohr46]

New Jersey is one with state licensing, I think since the 1950's. There are several New Jersey members on this website. Hopefully they could share some of the pros/cons that they see. Pa has have been trying for statewide electrical licensing for over 35 years. Current Governor Ed Rendell promised he would get it done when he was first elected, we are still waiting.

 

[infinity]

New Jersey is one with state licensing, I think since the 1950's. There are several New Jersey members on this website. Hopefully they could share some of the pros/cons that they see. Pa has have been trying for statewide electrical licensing for over 35 years. Current Governor Ed Rendell promised he would get it done when he was first elected, we are still waiting.

Here are some pros:

1) Statewide license means that you can work in any of the 21 counties.
2) No local codes/amendments permitted anywhere in the entire state.
3) License renewal every 3 years to coincide with the NEC code cycle with required code update credits.
4) Mandatory liability insurance.
5) Toll free number with state code expert to help resolve inspection issues.

Cons:

1) 32 hours of CEE required for every 3 year code cycle.

 

[wbalsam1]

Here are some pros:

1) Statewide license means that you can work in any of the 21 counties.
2) No local codes/amendments permitted anywhere in the entire state.
3) License renewal every 3 years to coincide with the NEC code cycle with required code update credits.
4) Mandatory liability insurance.
5) Toll free number with state code expert to help resolve inspection issues.

Cons:

1) 32 hours of CEE required for every 3 year code cycle.

Here's how I would rearrange your list:

Here are some pros:

1) Statewide license means that you can work in any of the non-NYC counties.
2) No local codes/amendments permitted anywhere in the entire state.
3) License renewal every 3 years to coincide with the NEC code cycle with required code update credits.
4) Mandatory liability insurance.
5) Toll free number with state code expert to help resolve inspection issues.
6) 32 hours of CEE required for every 3 year code cycle.

 

[elohr46]

Here's how I would rearrange your list:

Here are some pros:

1) Statewide license means that you can work in any of the non-NYC counties.
2) No local codes/amendments permitted anywhere in the entire state.
3) License renewal every 3 years to coincide with the NEC code cycle with required code update credits.
4) Mandatory liability insurance.
5) Toll free number with state code expert to help resolve inspection issues.
6) 32 hours of CEE required for every 3 year code cycle.

Yeah, I like that list. Education is something that helps every electrician. win/win situation. Good going New Jersey.

 

[elohr46]

Here are some pros:

1) Statewide license means that you can work in any of the 21 counties.
2) No local codes/amendments permitted anywhere in the entire state.
3) License renewal every 3 years to coincide with the NEC code cycle with required code update credits.
4) Mandatory liability insurance.
5) Toll free number with state code expert to help resolve inspection issues.

Cons:

1) 32 hours of CEE required for every 3 year code cycle.

Trevor,

Is there anything in there to require apprentices be enrolled into an approved state program and if so do you see this as a pro or con?

 

[Energize]

Here are some pros:

1) Statewide license means that you can work in any of the 21 counties.
2) No local codes/amendments permitted anywhere in the entire state.
3) License renewal every 3 years to coincide with the NEC code cycle with required code update credits.
4) Mandatory liability insurance.
5) Toll free number with state code expert to help resolve inspection issues.

Cons:

1) 32 hours of CEE required for every 3 year code cycle.

Why would local codes/admendements tie in with licensing? You would still have local codes/admendements, just have state wide uniformity with minimum levels of competence for installations. They are two separate, distinct issues.

 

[LawnGuyLandSparky]

Here's how I would rearrange your list:

Here are some pros:

1) Statewide license means that you can work in any of the non-NYC counties.
2) No local codes/amendments permitted anywhere in the entire state.
3) License renewal every 3 years to coincide with the NEC code cycle with required code update credits.
4) Mandatory liability insurance.
5) Toll free number with state code expert to help resolve inspection issues.
6) 32 hours of CEE required for every 3 year code cycle.

Why exclude NYC? And while we're revamping, let's require journeyman licensing, and helper/apprentice ratios.

 

[wbalsam1]

Why exclude NYC? And while we're revamping, let's require journeyman licensing, and helper/apprentice ratios.

Actually, I forgot to make it clear that I was only talking about licensing electrical inspectors. I have been under the impression that NYC has a trained and competent electrical inspection unit. :smile:

 

[quogueelectric]

Licensing would hold everyone to a higher standard

Licensing would hold everyone to a higher standard

Right now only the licensee is swinging in the breeze if there is a problem. Licensing by the state would not only bring in all sorts of new revenue for all of the journeyman and aprentices working in the state but it would also hold everyones feet to the fire to be accountable for thier work. Right now a journeyman can commit any atrocity he wants with no repercussions. Install crap and not be accountable. If he had to maintain alicense tio keep working he would not play games with his work quality because if he was called on his crap work he runs the risk of losing his license to practice in the state. This alone is enough reason to switch.

 

[quogueelectric]

This goes for licensed Yahoos from down south

This goes for licensed Yahoos from down south

If a tract housing yahoo hung his shingle he would have to find 20 other state licensed Yahoos to do the yahoo job you are concerned with. My new Motto STATE IS GREAT!!

 

[LawnGuyLandSparky]

Actually, I forgot to make it clear that I was only talking about licensing electrical inspectors. I have been under the impression that NYC has a trained and competent electrical inspection unit. :smile:

Whatever gave you that impression?

I have NEVER seen a NYC electrical inspector. Many jobs I've been on were fast track. You could mount your box, make your terminations, and right after lunch come back and install the device and coverplate, being careful not to touch the fresh paint.

 

[LawnGuyLandSparky]

Right now only the licensee is swinging in the breeze if there is a problem. Licensing by the state would not only bring in all sorts of new revenue for all of the journeyman and aprentices working in the state

How so? Assume tonight at midnight, the State legislature passes a law making any license in the state recroprical anywhere in the State...

Where does all this additional work come from? All this allows is for is contractor transportability.

but it would also hold everyones feet to the fire to be accountable for thier work. Right now a journeyman can commit any atrocity he wants with no repercussions. Install crap and not be accountable. If he had to maintain a license to keep working he would not play games with his work quality because if he was called on his crap work he runs the risk of losing his license to practice in the state. This alone is enough reason to switch.

 

[mez1st]

Be careful what you wish for...

Be careful what you wish for...

My good friends,

On the subject of state license, our great state of Texas adopted this about five years ago. At first we believed it to be the answer to all things. As time has gone by, I have found it to be nothing more than ANOTHER license/fee that I am forced to pay for. Do you really think that the local municipalities are going to give up the revenue stream generated by local licenses? I think not. We are required to carry a state license for master journeyman, and apprentice. Every city that required a license before, still requires that you pay financial homage at the alter of municipal counter for local license. Some ask for a copy of the state license as a requirement BEFORE they will issue the local license. You may say, "We will do better, we will eliminate the local license requirement." But just remember, you are now placing your industry in the hands of state politicians and LOBBYISTS! Please think of the repercussions this will have in your area. I have only scratched the surface of the problem.:-?