Who is running things anyway ?

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You are ignorant? (Legit question...just asking)....like you have ever worked for an electrical manufacturer and know the process. They are in business to make money just like you are in business to make money....what part of that are you missing..WOW....btw....ain't this about time for your buddies to jump in too...lol

Why would a manufacturer not develop products to meet needs and make money in the process. Do you not use those products?...Ahhh...I get it, the manufacturers are corrupt again and get in bed with the NFPA and conspire to create needless products to make you're job easier and people safer....I understand and yes quite delusional it seems.

Comments based on the 2017 National Electrical Code.
 
MasterTheNEC said:
The point is....These devices are tested, verified and listed. Everything has a potential to fail (Even the Electrician) so of we don't rely on testing then what do you have?

Some of the best minds in the business are devoted to testing and just because they work for a specific company, that doesn't displace their intent to better the industry and in fact care deeply about the industry. The bigger debate is the lack of competent licensed electricians coming into the business and quite possibly the degradation of qualified teachers and oversight.

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I think long standing service electricians have perspective that CMPs members do not. If a service electrician sees a much higher failure of back-stabs then side wires, forming an opinion based on an observable pattern is inevitable. When similar professionals come together and share the same pattern of observation a blanket conclusion is inevitable.


Just because something is listed, tested and so forth means little. The lab is not the real world and countless engineering shortfalls have made that living proof. Institutions are never totally unbiased, and everyone is human that makes them work.


Personally, I would never rely on "good enough" or low probability when making a connection. A loose connection is one of the most dangerous if not most latent fire hazards in a dwelling. Anything which can reduce the risk (eliminating or improving back-stabs) in the hands of a professional is a worthwhile investment.


Sure a none professional can screw up a side wire- or even some new fool proof method- but that is an area where the code can simply not address IMO.
 
MasterTheNEC said:
You are ignorant? (Legit question...just asking)....like you have ever worked for an electrical manufacturer and know the process. They are in business to make money just like you are in business to make money....what part of that are you missing..WOW....btw....ain't this about time for your buddies to jump in too...lol

Why would a manufacturer not develop products to meet needs and make money in the process. Do you not use those products?...Ahhh...I get it, the manufacturers are corrupt again and get in bed with the NFPA and conspire to create needless products to make you're job easier and people safer....I understand and yes quite delusional it seems.

Comments based on the 2017 National Electrical Code.
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And I would respectfully say you do not see the full picture as there is another cog- UL is the one who creates the tailored studies for the manufactures to support the CMP mandates on those said products.
 
IMO, this thread has deteriorated to a point there is little useful to the Forum members. At this point it consists mainly of opposing opinions.
I am closing it.
 
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