Jim W in Tampa
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- Tampa Florida
ooops ok i see the ground bar,kinda hidden but is there
My wife wont even let me work week-ends - not about money so much as her sanity - we have a daughter 18 MO who turns 2 a few times a day.
As for the service call - I would wire brushed and buffed up the stabs with a new breaker temporarily to return at a decent hour, then piped the panel someplace else. Then do the swap over all at once by using the existing enclosure as a J-box - then gut the inside and screw the cover shut. The other side of the wall is an awesome place if available. Little down-time that way, and possible better location away from the 'readily accessible' table clearing two man moving job.
So I've been told.... FYI I have had to go 'adjust' her 3 times during the few minutes since my last post. And am about to go put her covers back on again - right now.Let me be the first to tell you that the terrible twos do not end at three.
As for the service call - I would wire brushed and buffed up the stabs with a new breaker temporarily to return at a decent hour, then piped the panel someplace else. Then do the swap over all at once by using the existing enclosure as a J-box - then gut the inside and screw the cover shut. The other side of the wall is an awesome place if available. Little down-time that way, and possible better location away from the 'readily accessible' table clearing two man moving job.
but cleaned up the mess.
It is nice for him to go back to work the next morning like nothing ever happened.
So....did you label all the circuits?
did you use a torque wrench?
I'm going to guess they had some exterior lighting and/or sign circuit they just used a breaker to control, and you added a timer to it.
Is this a sub panel ? I see a bonding screw on neutral and cross over bar
I would wire brushed and buffed up the stabs with a new breaker temporarily to return at a decent hour,
then piped the panel someplace else.
Then do the swap over all at once by using the existing enclosure as a J-box - then gut the inside and screw the cover shut. The other side of the wall is an awesome place if available.
What size are those conductors and is the breaker feeding it properly sized ???
Looks like quite a load.
But i got to knock you down for not re identifying the white wire
did you also not group that pair?
And panel cut in is a bit messy , something a HO might do
But for a 2am call it will pass, till morning
iwire said:My best guess is 2 AWG AL, there is a 100 amp breaker at the service. I say "Rule 3"
iwire said:Not really, a few breakers are maxed out but many did not read any load even when they where open for business.
I guess so ,.. but let's say you were replacing light fixtures and the circuit breakers were 30 amp the conductor #12 would you leave the 30 amp breakers in place citing rule #3 of the Mass Code ???
yuck,.. and not much different in my opinion
As a customer I would rather have had a back fed breaker the correct size ,.. than the floor mopped.. nice job otherwise.
i may be wrong but 210.4 (d)
(D) Grouping. The ungrounded and grounded conductors
of each multiwire branch circuit shall be grouped by wire
ties or similar means in at least one location within the
panelboard or other point of origination.
i may be wrong but 210.4 (d)
(D) Grouping. The ungrounded and grounded conductors
of each multiwire branch circuit shall be grouped by wire
ties or similar means in at least one location within the
panelboard or other point of origination.
Bottom line, the place is safer then when I got there, in my mind that is a good thing. Of course we could choose to take the hardline and tell them it's all or nothing but then we would not have fixed anything and they might have gone with a handyman from Craig's list.
iwire it sure is fun to see everyone pick on you and try to find fault with your work.