Why are there so few women in our trade?

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There were a couple women in the area a few years ago. One of them quit because she could make more money as a coctail waitress.

Hired one young woman for summer help who had worked with her EC dad while growing up. She was a little ball of fire that let no grass grow under her feet. She teaches high school math now.
 

ptrip

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Female engineer here ... my thoughts, for what they're worth.

In high school I was really interested in civil engineering ... bridges and interesections have always been amazing to me. At a Women In Engineering summer program in high school I shadowed some engineers for a few days. The Civil Engineer's office was in a trailer on a job site. I chose (as a high school student) to get my degree in industrial engineering so I could have an office job ... complete with heat and A/C!

I've never done industrial engineering work as I worked my way through college in the MEP consulting business ... so now I play electrical engineer ... with enough years of experience to become pretty good at it if I do say so myself. (and yes ... black and white on paper and real life wire and conduit are two completely different things!)

To this day, I actually don't regret that decision. On days like today where, in central Ohio, it's cold, there's snow on the ground and later in the week it's going to be bitter cold ... I work in a comfortable, heated office.

I've attempted a different field of electrical engineering after a recent lay-off. My primary duty was arc-flash hazard analysis. I lasted 6 months. So far I've been laid off 7 times in my short career (companies going bankrupt or losing major contracts and such), but I've evidentally become a slave to the commercial building industry.

I have the utmost respect for what all you guys (and gals) do out there every day. I don't have the strength, stamina or toughness to do it on a daily basis. I'm no priss. I don't care about my nails, I play softball on a co-ed team in the summer, I'm quick to work the lawn mower or the snow shovel. But I don't think I have it in me to do what you all do every day.

Also,

I have two children ... boy and girl. That different chromosome makes all the difference in the world. Being in the engineering field (and married to an engineer) we really tried to raise them the same, not feeding into gender generalities. But boys and girls are different. Both of them are into sports ... year round. My my daughter is more prone to emotional breakdowns and my son is more likely to mask his emotions. Trust you me, I holler at her for crying about nothing and try to pry "what do you feel" from him!

My point is ... In no way to I feel that women can't do "men's" jobs (and vice versa) ... just that, in general, nature rules.
 
When you work for a company it is all about team work ...Working with guys can be a pain , they whine that it's monday , work sucks ,hear it all the time , for once it would be nice to work with a person such as LITTLE D no pun intended...attitude is critical , bad attitudes get fired......
 

petersonra

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Northern illinois
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engineer
One of them quit because she could make more money as a coctail waitress.
I guess I can't blame her for that.

My wife's best friend's daughter works as a cocktail waitress in Las Vegas. It can be pretty lucrative and a lot of it is cash tips.

A place I used to do some work for had a female engineer who worked as a waitress in a fancy restaurant between engineering jobs.
 

LarryFine

Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
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Henrico County, VA
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Electrical Contractor
They are smart enough to know that if they worked with us 260 days a year they would not want to be with us outside of work. :D
First, ladies, welcome to the zoo! I'm no believer in political correctness, and I'm all for women in any trade they're interested in.

Bob, I guess I'm a lucky dog. PJ is as good as any helper I've ever had, and she's only 5'2" also. She once outscored me on a sample test, and she's no princess. She's more like a ferret, and has traversed more than one crawl space and attic.

She has done wiring and a lot of other work since even before we met, and had her own nice assortment of tools, including the same cordless DeWalt drill I had at the time. I, for one, am proud to say that I sleep with my helper. :smile:
 

cschmid

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I have had couple of female apprentices..One was very smart and very nice lady..was real good electrician..but she did not see this profession as a compatible profession with being a mother..to many off hours and inclemate weather conditions..she now works in a factory in northern MN and loves it..

I feel it is not promoted in the womens higher education area..just not a normal eduacational choice, the ones who do it seem to be very capable..:smile:
 

tonyou812

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North New Jersey
I guess I can't blame her for that.

My wife's best friend's daughter works as a cocktail waitress in Las Vegas. It can be pretty lucrative and a lot of it is cash tips.

A place I used to do some work for had a female engineer who worked as a waitress in a fancy restaurant between engineering jobs.
My wife was telling me that there are beauticians that can make up to 100,000 grand a year. not all of them mind you but the ones that work in better places.
 

knaack134

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Chicago IL
They are wired different!

They are wired different!

I am not trying to be funny, but I have found that a great deal of the electricians I have run into in my seven years are cocky egomaniacs. :D
I beleive this is more of a male trait. Some trades require brains as well as braun, ours is one of those. Let's face it some women are not built to handle 4" pipe in a trench. With that said, I have worked with two females in my career, one was totally worthless and the other one was someone I hold in the highest reguard, always on time, ready to work, and concentated on the task at hand. Women in the trades are fine with me, if they can hack it.
 

sparklet

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California
I am a female sparky, i can only speak for myself, but it is hard to stay in a trade where
it seems the expectations of what i am capable of are set at a very low bar, even before i've had a chance to perform. Also, on most jobs i start , the foreman usually assumes i am an apprentice. Tasks given to me are usually meticulous, redundant or outright stereotypical(i.e., sweeping, cleaning up piles of scrap, etc.), so the experience i
have aquired is not as complete as most electricians that are of the opposite gender.
All that being said, i still have been lucky with a couple of mentors that taught me so
very much and had faith in my ability. I love my trade, and each job i approach with a
positive attitude, and i have certainly had some jobs i loved, others, not so much. But
i believe strongly that the knowledge one should aquire in the trades is completely incumbant upon that person, so i read all these threads, and take classes when i can, and
go to the next job with a positive outlook, eager to work and learn. It was easy getting in
the trade, very difficult to stay in. Also, all female construction workers are not lesbians,
even if they do turn you down for a date!
 

Fulthrotl

~Autocorrect is My Worst Enema.~
Also, all female construction workers are not lesbians, even if they do turn you down for a date!

WOOHOO! you'll fit in here, just fine..... no editing going on here.....:D

a resounding first post.... i, and my wife, who came over to see why i
was laughing so hard, we both got a chuckle here.....

ya gotta be very sensitive to the frail male ego here, tho...... :D:D:D
be vewy, vewy, caweful......


randy
 

roger

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Retired Electrician
Welcome to the forum Sparklet, good post. :smile:

Roger
 

brian john

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Leesburg, VA
Just a thought.

One reason women are thought to be somewhat less than equal with men at work is SOME (READ SOME) organizations have requirements for a certain number of women a year in to the apprenticeship program. They have trouble filling these needs and therefore take all applicants pass the test or not.

So because some are not up to snuff it is falsely assumed that all are less than qualified.

I have no problem with anyone in the trade BUT if a test is required for entry all should take and pass the same test.
 
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