Why SABC in Dining Rooms?
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Others have answered this question, but I will give it the first "right" answer.normbac said:
You can created a new, dedicated, 20 amp circuit (i.e., separate from the kitchen SABCs), and you can use it to power a single receptacle outlet in the dining room. But if you do, that causes your new circuit to become, by definition, a SABC itself.
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charlie b said:
Charlie-- Are you saying that you can only power one recep. with that dedicated circuit???
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I've been asking questions like this since 1974.
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Not at all. I was responding to a question about whether a dedicated circuit could be used, in place of a SABC, in the dining room. All I am saying is that once you use a new circuit to supply a receptacle (or more than one receptacle) in the dining room, that circuit becomes a SABC. Therefore, the SABC rules apply to that new circuit (i.e., it must be 20 amp, and it cannot supply any outlets that are not supposed to be on SABCs).Dennis Alwon said:
By the way, how long did it take you to translate, "Mary had a little lamb, its fleece was white as snow," into that interesting string of technical jargon you now have as your signature tag? :wink:
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JohnConnolly said:
I have always run a dedicated 20 amp circuit for the entire dining room (receptacles). I have no doubt this is perfectly legit.
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charlie b said:By the way, how long did it take you to translate, "Mary had a little lamb, its fleece was white as snow," into that interesting string of technical jargon you now have as your signature tag? :wink:
I got it right away but the heading of it was deciphering nursery rhymes. Go here and knock yourself out with many more rhymes
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Oh I agree that what I think you are describing is perfectly legit. But what is a "dedicated circuit"? :-? :wink: :grin:Dennis Alwon said:
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charlie b said:
Got me--- dedicated to the dining room.
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charlie b said:By the way, how long did it take you to translate, "Mary had a little lamb, its fleece was white as snow," into that interesting string of technical jargon you now have as your signature tag? :wink:
FCOL... ROFL... NOW I get it!!!!
And here I just thought it was some tripped out Jimi Hendrix flaming guitar playing Janis Joplin dope smoking drivel...
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Ohhh now i understand
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Jim W in Tampa said:
I knew you would. :grin:
JohnConnolly
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Of course it's legit. The question remains....why? What is EVER plugged into a dining room recep?
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JohnConnolly said:
My original diningroom had 3 receptacles on a SABC shared with 2 kitchen countertop receptacles. The 4th diningroom receptacle shared with the other SABC, the refrigerator, and 1 countertop and one kitchen wall receptacle.
Because of this arrangement, I could not have 3 -double tray food warmers and 2 percolators on the diningroom buffet during holidays. I installed a 2-circuit double duplex and... tell no one... also used those 2 circuits outside on the deck for the same purpose.
As I renovated the kitchen, I decided it wasn't worth trying to "guess" how we would utilize each countertop receptacle and how the new diningroom layout would work into the electrical scheme of things, and simply made every receptacle in both rooms a double duplex, and each "quad" is on it's own 20a SABC. So now I have 14 20a SABCs.
This didn't involve too much additional cable, since the panel is directly below the kitchen, and with 2 200a 40's there was loads of space.
The thing is, when you entertain you tend to push you home's infrastructure to it's limits and oftentimes this is the only time a homeowner will discover that the diningroom is on the same circuit as the kitchen toaster and coffeepot. It doesn't have to happen often. It only has to become an inconvenience once.
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