Will tariffs kill solar? No politics, please

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petersonra said:
For those of you not aware of the rest of the world, the Spanish grid collapsed i think yesterday. Reported cause is too much reliance on PV led to instability of the grid so it shut it self down to protect its self. ..
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BS. That is a speculated cause at this point (by motivated people, IMO) with no actual evidence to back it up. Quite likely similar to how renewables haters with agendas rushed to judgement in Australia a few years back and were wrong.

Meanwhile California's grid (the ISO) has run fully on renewables for a portion of the day for a month and a half straight.
 
Coal is already solar. I know it is crazy sounding, but I think there must be a way to extract the energy from coal without shoveling it into a steam engine from 1850. Maybe we should be trying to make a cultural change of using less energy instead of pretending like it is possible to increase the supply toward infinity.
 
petersonra said:
For those of you not aware of the rest of the world, the Spanish grid collapsed i think yesterday. Reported cause is too much reliance on PV led to instability of the grid so it shut it self down to protect its self. Which is of course what it should do. Need a lot of reliable baseline load like coal, oil, gas, nuclear, or hydro if you want to put PV, wind, or other less reliable sources in the mix.
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That's a rather broad vague statement. While I don't think there is any debate that renewables do pose some challenges for grid operators, there are many grids all over the world with high wind and/or solar concentrations and very few problems. South Australia has a very impressive number of 70%, renewable, and that is without hydro. Then there is the example of texas, which I think frequently runs on a majority of wind power. I don't understand the "this has some challenges so we shouldn't do it and just stick with the old way" philosophy.

Here is a video on South Australia if anyone is interested.

 
I have a Popular Mechanics from 1958, I think, that has an article describing using nuclear bombs to reshape a portion of Alaska to geoengineer a new bay. This was seriously considered at one point. We need that kind of spirit again. We could make a large scale hydro that is sufficient to power the US indefinitely. Or ring the equator with enough solar to make storage unnecessary. It is just an engineering problem to solve. But we don't have the will power. Or, more likely, some people make too much money from the scarcity of materials and energy to ever let that go.
 
hillbilly1 said:
I was about to mention NAFTA, we lost a lot of jobs around here because of it.
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Understandably there will be lost jobs, and the lost jobs make more noise than the people whom get new jobs that would not have existed without NAFTA.
Manufacturing plants in Canada and Mexico are very very nice workers are treated well, its very similar to here.
Square D makes tons of stuff in Mexico.
 
jaggedben said:
Yes it does. Same for batteries. This is well known and it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise. I mean maybe the moon is made of green cheese, it's hard for an individual to prove it isn't for sure, but you can either take the preponderance of good faith reports about the world seriously or you can forfeit any claim to know much of anything (in which case why bother sharing your idle speculations).
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You can take numbers and data and skew it however, you want one variable left out of the equation and it’s garbage and that’s what this is. so you tell me I have to believe it ,and even if you submit a paper, I could submit a paper at the opposite of what you state.
 
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CoolWill said:
I have a Popular Mechanics from 1958, I think, that has an article describing using nuclear bombs to reshape a portion of Alaska to geoengineer a new bay. This was seriously considered at one point. We need that kind of spirit again. We could make a large scale hydro that is sufficient to power the US indefinitely. Or ring the equator with enough solar to make storage unnecessary. It is just an engineering problem to solve. But we don't have the will power. Or, more likely, some people make too much money from the scarcity of materials and energy to ever let that go.
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Hydro would not work to many regulations- we will die as a country from the burden of the regulatory state-
They want to close the dames were I am at in Oregon cause of dumb hippies and I know people will post other crap but I deal with it. My clients are the ones trying to shut it down.
 
electrofelon said:
That's a rather broad vague statement. While I don't think there is any debate that renewables do pose some challenges for grid operators, there are many grids all over the world with high wind and/or solar concentrations and very few problems. South Australia has a very impressive number of 70%, renewable, and that is without hydro. Then there is the example of texas, which I think frequently runs on a majority of wind power. I don't understand the "this has some challenges so we shouldn't do it and just stick with the old way" philosophy.

Here is a video on South Australia if anyone is interested.

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Do the hippies that complaint about the fish from hydro dams complaint about the birds killed from wind turbines??
 
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