Window sill receptacles

[Dennis Alwon]

I have a unique situation. Kitchen counter is 27 " deep . The top of the counter will be 3/4" below the window after it is trimmed. The homeowner wants a deeper sill so the sill will come out about 3" onto the top of the counter.

So-- no place for a receptacle, right--- Architect came up with an idea that I feel uneasy about, but I think is legal. Put a receptacle face up in the window sill--art. 406.4 says NO to countertops and similar work spaces. I may have a loophole here.

Here is the receptacle & website link--

http://www.sillites.com/install_SCR.html

 

[iwire]

Looks like a joy to wire...

To bad NC ha not adopted the TR regiments, that would be your 'out'. :grin:

 

[peter d]

Looks like a joy to wire...

Yeah, about as much fun as Mono Systems plugmold. :roll:

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Looks like a joy to wire...

To bad NC ha not adopted the TR regiments, that would be your 'out'. :grin:

This in still under the 2005 since it was permitted in 2007.

Hopefully I am smart enough to put one wire in that box instead of three. I think I may even be smart enough to have the GFCI in a different location. I think I am anyway..:grin:

 

[SmithBuilt]

I like it. But hope my customers don't find out about it. On second thought that my be a prime opportunity to up sell and make more money.








Edit: left a word out.

 

[iwire]

Hopefully I am smart enough to put one wire in that box instead of three.

I imagine installing just one yellow NM in this will be no treat. :grin:

1) Enter cable

2) Tighten cable clamp

3) Terminate conductors

4) Fold conductors into box.

5) Use large hammer to smash receptacle into box. :grin:


Did you read the dimensions of the thing?

It's overall height is 2.5".

Lets say 1" for the plug, that leaves a 1.5" deep wiring compartment only as wide as the device.

 

[peter d]

It's overall height is 2.5".

Lets say 1" for the plug, that leaves a 1.5" deep wiring compartment only as wide as the device.

The same evil people who designed the skinny plugmold (not the 4000 kind) are clearly behind this abomination as well.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

BoB Check out this link

This unit wires just like a female cord plug. It even shows it with 2 cables in it.

 

[iwire]

This unit wires just like a female cord plug. It even shows it with 2 cables in it.

I thought you where 'uneasy about it'?

Knock yourself out, to me it looks like a pain in the rear. :grin:


BTW, I know your going for one cable, but in the two cable example how do you code compliantly handle the EGC? 250.148(B)

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I thought you where 'uneasy about it'?

Knock yourself out, to me it looks like a pain in the rear. :grin:

I was more uneasy about the distinction between the counter and the sill. I think this would avoid water where it is so I am feeling better about it.

BTW, I know your going for one cable, but in the two cable example how do you code compliantly handle the EGC? 250.148(B)

Now that is another issue.

 

[chris kennedy]

but in the two cable example how do you code compliantly handle the EGC? 250.148(B)

"or other device fed from the box does not interfere with or interrupt the grounding continuity."


If thats a box you've got issues with 314.16 also. But it must be OK since its UL approved.

I recommend the use of stranded NM for this application.

 

[iwire]

"or other device fed from the box does not interfere with or interrupt the grounding continuity."


If thats a box you've got issues with 314.16 also. But it must be OK since its UL approved.

Your view is that this item is not a box so 250.148(B) does not apply?

 

[iwire]

I imagine a grounding crimp on might take care of grounding continuity.

 

[chris kennedy]

Your view is that this item is not a box so 250.148(B) does not apply?

No sir, I see this as a receptical installed in a box. Lots of issues.

But then again, if its a UL approved assembly like a cord body, I still don't see how the terminal screws will stay tight after the use of the closure hammer.:grin:

 

[Dennis Alwon]

"or other device fed from the box does not interfere with or interrupt the grounding continuity."


If thats a box you've got issues with 314.16 also. But it must be OK since its UL approved.

I recommend the use of stranded NM for this application.

You may have a point Chris-- and for once it is not on top of your head :grin:

Seriuosly, if this is similar to a female cord end that we use for rubber cords, then why would it be a box. Anyway, that is another issue I will definitely not be dealing with.

Chris, have you ever seen NM cable in #12 that was stranded? I have never seen it.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

No sir, I see this as a receptical installed in a box. Lots of issues.

But then again, if its a UL approved assembly like a cord body, I still don't see how the terminal screws will stay tight after the use of the closure hammer.:grin:

That is one of the issues I am concerned with. This is design for candles in a window but not exclusively. The ho says she will never use it but she won't be there forever and someone else may.

 

[chris kennedy]

You may have a point Chris-- and for once it is not on top of your head :grin:

Thats why I wear a hat

Chris, have you ever seen NM cable in #12 that was stranded? I have never seen it.

I avoid NM like the plague. But I'm workink on devoloping stranded NM in my shed. Along with a weather proof weather cover thats weather proof.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Thats why I wear a hat

:grin::grin::grin:

I avoid NM like the plague. But I'm workink on devoloping stranded NM in my shed. Along with a weather proof weather cover thats weather proof.

You also need to develop a weather resistant recep. too. Apparently no one else has and it's in the 2008.

 

[peter d]

You also need to develop a weather resistant recep. too. Apparently no one else has and it's in the 2008.

I saw a P&S weather resistant GFCI on their website. I'm not sure about a regular receptacle though.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I saw a P&S weather resistant GFCI on their website. I'm not sure about a regular receptacle though.

Well I was told by a fairly knowledgeable fellow, who use to be on one of the code making panels, that no one had them and they weren't sure when they would. Who knows...