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jumper said:
You are missing Russ’ point. Adam was using series and parallel incorrectly, whether pigtails are used or not-receptacles and lights are parallel to each other.
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I ignored the parallel/series discussion, and focused on not everything needing to be pigtailed. It's settled, regardless. :thumbsup:
 
Besoeker said:
A 12-way strip costs about $0.60 from one of the most expensive component distributors. You can cut it down to however many way you need. So if you need only two ways you are looking at ten cents. In the context of the total installation or repair that is peanuts.
BTW, I don't sell them.........:lol:
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You're not comparing "apples to apples" here. The terminal strips have their use but is not what is best in a single or 2-gang box for receptacles or switches.
First off, the terminal strip would take up too much room in the box
2nd, you have to take time to get out a screwdriver to tighten down each screw.
With a wirenut, you take all the conductors at once and twist, no screwdriver needed.
Similar, with Wagos, you insert the wire into the port and done, no screwdriver needed.

Now take a control cabinet, you want it to be neat, you mount the terminal strip or block either straight to the cabinet or on a DIN rail. You wouldn't want a bunch of wirenuts hanging all over the inside of the cabinet. Also makes it easier to trace wiring, which you often need to do in a control cabinet.
In an outlet box that will be closed up and not opened unless needed, the wirenuts or Wagos are best and don't necessarily need to be as neat as a control cabinet.

So each have their place but neither is a good all around connector for different applications.
 
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Little Bill said:
You're not comparing "apples to apples" here. The terminal strips have their use but is not what is best in a single or 2-gang box for receptacles or switches.
First off, the terminal strip would take up too much room in the box
2nd, you have to take time to get out a screwdriver to tighten down each screw.
With a wirenut, you take all the conductors at once and twist, no screwdriver needed.
Similar, with Wagos, you insert the wire into the port and done, no screwdriver needed.

Now take a control cabinet, you want it to be neat, you mount the terminal strip or block either straight to the cabinet or on a DIN rail. You wouldn't want a bunch of wirenuts hanging all over the inside of the cabinet. Also makes it easier to trace wiring, which you often need to do in a control cabinet.
In an outlet box that will be closed up and not opened unless needed, the wirenuts or Wagos are best and don't necessarily need to be as neat as a control cabinet.

So each have their place but neither is a good all around connector for different applications.
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Yep, nice summation.:thumbsup:
 
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Little Bill said:
You're not comparing "apples to apples" here. The terminal strips have their use but is not what is best in a single or 2-gang box for receptacles or switches.
First off, the terminal strip would take up too much room in the box.
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Yes, a WHOLE strip might but you can cut it down to any size. A single connector is no bigger than a single wire nut - if fact, from memory, probably smaller.
 
Besoeker said:
Just expressing my views. based on actual experience. Do you have a problem with that?
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Not at all. I'm simply stating that you're not going to get any traction with your negative views on wire nuts, no more so than I would criticizing your bulky BS1363 plugs.
 
Besoeker said:
Yes, a WHOLE strip might but you can cut it down to any size. A single connector is no bigger than a single wire nut - if fact, from memory, probably smaller.
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Let's say you have five (5) neutral wires that need to be spliced together with no pigtail needed. How are you going to take the terminal connectors and join the (5) wires together? Each terminal unit has two sides, one in-one out. Unless you double up the wires in one of the terminals you couldn't get all (5) wires joined.
Take a proper sized wire nut or Wago and join them all at once. And yes, you twist all (5) together by hand. However if I have several to do I usually use a "wirenut twister" to make it easier on my hand. Some multi-tip screwdrivers have a twister in the handle for this. You can even get a spinner/twister bit for your drill or impact.
 
Little Bill said:
Let's say you have five (5) neutral wires that need to be spliced together with no pigtail needed. How are you going to take the terminal connectors and join the (5) wires together? Each terminal unit has two sides, one in-one out. Unless you double up the wires in one of the terminals you couldn't get all (5) wires joined.
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You are not limited to one in, one out.
 
jumper said:
Bes, how many NEC installs have you done personally, speaking of general wiring overall?

Does your experience directly relate to an everyday install per NEC and other North American methods?
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Even if he had any direct experience, his negative views on wire nuts are simply wrong.

How many American and Canadian electricians come on this forum and talk about how terminal strips are better? Not many. :roll:
 
jumper said:
No, his views and experience are simply different. One method is not superior to the the other, just each has its place.
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But that's not what he claimed, he explicitly claimed that terminal strips are superior. That's where I vehemently disagree.
 
I had to refit the sign lighting on an Italian made amusement ride. The new lamps were LED and required line voltage. When my helper was wiring the SO cords from the existing J-boxes to the sign letters, he found Boesoker's terminal strips in the J-boxes. I asked the apprentice if he wanted a bag of wirenuts instead of the strips. He tried a couple of wirenuts and then reused the existing terminals strip. He definitely preferred the strips.

Ten years ago, I thought the Ideal reds were the best. After revisiting installs I made years ago and seeing the red plastic split, I now have no brand preference.
 
jumper said:
In what post does he state that?
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Post #39, he disagreed with my statement that wire nuts are are just as reliable. Therefore, using inference, he believes that terminal strips are superior. Maybe it wasn't as explicit as I claimed but there's no doubt what his position is in my mind.
 
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