Wiring an outside bar
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225.30 would likely require a MWBC.
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Excellent point ! Never thought about that225.30 would likely require a MWBC.
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Only if this "Bar" is considered a separate structure. If it is on a patio considered a part of the main structure, 225 doesn't apply at all.225.30 would likely require a MWBC.
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When one reads 225.1 that may well be debatable.
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The separate structure issue is in part II of art 225 though, part I could apply to this outside bar and it still be a part of the main structure it is associated with. Could be on the roof of a building and part I applies but not part II.
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I don't necessarily agree with that statement. Some may be separate structures but not all.
I do realize code is not very specific on what is a separate structure in some cases, if it is on a patio that effectively is an extension of the main structure - I think it is not a separate structure. If it is all alone out in the middle of the yard - probably a separate structure.
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I would share neutral with little hesitation unless there were going to be some giant sized, industrial blender at the bar. Then I would still run a MWBC and add a dedicated circuit for the blender.
Multi wire branch circuit.
more than one ungrounded conductor with only one grounded conductor. Typically two hots and one neutral that you install for the garbage disposer and the dishwasher is MWBC.
From NEC 2011
Branch Circuit, Multiwire. A branch circuit that consists
of two or more ungrounded conductors that have a voltage
between them, and a grounded conductor that has equal
voltage between it and each ungrounded conductor of the
circuit and that is connected to the neutral or grounded conductor
of the system.
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Umm....are you an Electrician? meaning nothing by it....Just Inquiring is all.
kwired
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I wouldn't be too hard on anyone over an acronym that is more of an acronym for electronic communications purposes then it is an acronym for the trade.
I still run into some I can't figure out at times.
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No, they are not generally used in the NEC. But they are often used by people who use the NEC and hate to type.
The other related common acronym is Small Appliance Branch Circuit (SABC).
No apology necessary... been doing this 'lectris stuff for 5 decades and still learn something here quite often. Don't let a "master" discourage you... stay with us and you might get to return the favor (provided you are not too polite top do so)
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There may be more then some may think, especially in the raceway and cable areas:
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Others : GFCI, AFCI, AHJ, HID, ANSI, UL, EGC, PV, SPD,
There likely is more.
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