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Re: Wiring between strapping
Great Picture Wayne.
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Wiring between strapping
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Re: Wiring between strapping
NFPA=National Fire Protection Association.
[ November 12, 2003, 06:34 PM: Message edited by: awwt ]
NFPA=National Fire Protection Association.
[ November 12, 2003, 06:34 PM: Message edited by: awwt ]
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Re: Wiring between strapping
Wayne explain to me how the removal of 300.4(D) starts a fire?
Do you think our houses in MA are burning down at a rate above the national average?
I am in no way saying the rest of the country is doing it wrong.
The way you are used to seeing NM works fine and you would be welcome to do the same way here.
But as you have not lived with this, you are guessing that it does not work fine this way too.
It is just like the RMC / SE argument, we have all grown accustom to certain methods and assume that everyone does the same thing. Anything done not to the same standard must be dangerous.
Do you think the insurance company's would stay silent if they where paying out at a higher rate here?
Wayne explain to me how the removal of 300.4(D) starts a fire?
Do you think our houses in MA are burning down at a rate above the national average?
I am in no way saying the rest of the country is doing it wrong.
The way you are used to seeing NM works fine and you would be welcome to do the same way here.
But as you have not lived with this, you are guessing that it does not work fine this way too.
It is just like the RMC / SE argument, we have all grown accustom to certain methods and assume that everyone does the same thing. Anything done not to the same standard must be dangerous.
Do you think the insurance company's would stay silent if they where paying out at a higher rate here?
russellroberts
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- Georgia
Re: Wiring between strapping
Seems like this is just a different way of doing things. Not good different or bad different,just different.
It would be foreign to me,but whatever works,works.
Russell
Seems like this is just a different way of doing things. Not good different or bad different,just different.
It would be foreign to me,but whatever works,works.
Russell
Re: Wiring between strapping
Let's take a look at just how ignorant 300.4(D) takes us to be.
Read the first three words in 300.4(D) and ask yourself why they're necessary. It appears as though people in MA are smart enough not to drive a nail or screw in a wire they can see.
awwt, do you think this type of instruction is needed in your area?
Roger
[ November 12, 2003, 07:31 PM: Message edited by: roger ]
Let's take a look at just how ignorant 300.4(D) takes us to be.
Read the first three words in 300.4(D) and ask yourself why they're necessary. It appears as though people in MA are smart enough not to drive a nail or screw in a wire they can see.
awwt, do you think this type of instruction is needed in your area?
Roger
[ November 12, 2003, 07:31 PM: Message edited by: roger ]
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Re: Wiring between strapping
Roger I have been out of town for a few days and I did`t have a chance to get back here.Thanks for the vote of confidence, 300.4 D is for structural members not sheet rock.
IMHO to me 300.4 d was instituted while it was ok to staple nm to a furring strip !!!!!How many remember that???Yes I think the situation needed to be addressed,but how far does it go ??? Now in 800 it is necesassary to treat phone line like it is nm.I am not saying that protecting wire is not important,but getting tagged because a phone line is 1 1/8 from the edge of a piece of lumber !!!
Come on..........................
Roger I have been out of town for a few days and I did`t have a chance to get back here.Thanks for the vote of confidence, 300.4 D is for structural members not sheet rock.
IMHO to me 300.4 d was instituted while it was ok to staple nm to a furring strip !!!!!How many remember that???Yes I think the situation needed to be addressed,but how far does it go ??? Now in 800 it is necesassary to treat phone line like it is nm.I am not saying that protecting wire is not important,but getting tagged because a phone line is 1 1/8 from the edge of a piece of lumber !!!
Come on..........................
ryan_618
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Re: Wiring between strapping
As you know, I DO NOT like state amendments, on principal.
That being said, I would love it if the NEC followed MA and got rid of this section. I think 300.4(A) is very much needed, but I have a hard time with (D).
In my opinion, on a typical 2x4 stud (1 1/2x 3 1/2), you must be dead center on the stud or you cannot be compliant. How can this be acheived? Easy...staple your romex at 5" on center!!! The problem I have is that at the danger lies at the point of support when parrellel to the framing members. If I drive a nail into a peice of romex away from the staple, the romex might move away. If I drive a nail into the romex at the staple location, the wire will get nailed.
Of course the other option is to run an eight foot peice of sheet metal along the stud...every drywaller in town would love that!
LMAO!!!Originally posted by iwire:
I know Ryan will love this.
As you know, I DO NOT like state amendments, on principal.
That being said, I would love it if the NEC followed MA and got rid of this section. I think 300.4(A) is very much needed, but I have a hard time with (D).
In my opinion, on a typical 2x4 stud (1 1/2x 3 1/2), you must be dead center on the stud or you cannot be compliant. How can this be acheived? Easy...staple your romex at 5" on center!!! The problem I have is that at the danger lies at the point of support when parrellel to the framing members. If I drive a nail into a peice of romex away from the staple, the romex might move away. If I drive a nail into the romex at the staple location, the wire will get nailed.
Of course the other option is to run an eight foot peice of sheet metal along the stud...every drywaller in town would love that!
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- Massachusetts
Re: Wiring between strapping
I am glad you took that in the way I meant it.
Bob
Yeah I know
I am glad you took that in the way I meant it. Bob
electricmanscott
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- Boston, MA
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- Massachusetts Master Electrician, one man show.
Re: Wiring between strapping
Our fine state has forever had their own amendments many of which have made their way into the NEC over the years. This last code cycle saw the fewest Mass amendments yet. Does this make us any better then the rest of the world? I don't know. What I do know from participating in these forums is that I would rather see the state taking matters such as electrical licensing and code enforcement seriously. It seems too many places are severely lacking in this area.
Rampage_Rick
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- British Columbia, Canada
I was perusing some photos of a sweet home office when I saw the rough-in phase. This was the first thread that I found that seemed relevant to post about it.
Here's the site: http://www.biscade.com/office/ It's the 3rd picture from the bottom. I don't even know if it could be classified wall or ceiling.
rexowner
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Great.
If it is OK for MA to ignore 300.4(D), then maybe we
should start a thread about other code sections we
can safely ignore.
Such as, why I have to put in a feeder with 4-10X the
ampacity as the utility does... what does this accomplish?
(nothing)
The likely real reason:
Apparently, the Carpenters Union had more pull in MA
than the NEC, so we can ignore the NEC. To quote
Spartacus, "So it is it written, so let it be done."
Jeesh.
If it is OK for MA to ignore 300.4(D), then maybe we
should start a thread about other code sections we
can safely ignore.
Such as, why I have to put in a feeder with 4-10X the
ampacity as the utility does... what does this accomplish?
(nothing)
The likely real reason:
Apparently, the Carpenters Union had more pull in MA
than the NEC, so we can ignore the NEC. To quote
Spartacus, "So it is it written, so let it be done."
Jeesh.
JohnJ0906
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- Baltimore, MD
FWIW, this thread is 5 years old. :wink:
electricmanscott
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- Boston, MA
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- Massachusetts Master Electrician, one man show.
So you advocate blindly accepting the NEC as written?
Based on the fact that this is not how many jurisdictions approach the NEC you would be in the minority.
electricmanscott
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- Boston, MA
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- Massachusetts Master Electrician, one man show.
Yup, it is now a happy well adjusted kindergartener :smile:
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- Chapel Hill, NC
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- Retired Electrical Contractor
How is it that a 5 year old thread can be open? I thought they got closed after 4 months.
glene77is
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- Memphis, TN
JZ,
Sounds like a violation, but we all must work with the inspectors.
The AHJ can raise or lower the standards.
I've had an AHJ ask me about loose strapping, and I politely explained the principls of pyroformic carbonization, and then repeated it in laymans terms. He said thanks, politely.
We got along good. Some AHJ like good explainations, but others might not.
Sounds like a violation, but we all must work with the inspectors.
The AHJ can raise or lower the standards.
I've had an AHJ ask me about loose strapping, and I politely explained the principls of pyroformic carbonization, and then repeated it in laymans terms. He said thanks, politely.
We got along good. Some AHJ like good explainations, but others might not.
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peter d
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- New England
Pictorial example of cables between strapping.
glene77is
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- Memphis, TN
Peter,
That is a good photo, very clear.
That 'looks' like a violation,
but if the AHJ approves it, I could live with it.
I'd be the first to say I've certainly seen really dangerous ones.
That is a good photo, very clear.
That 'looks' like a violation,
but if the AHJ approves it, I could live with it.
I'd be the first to say I've certainly seen really dangerous ones.
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