wiring ranges
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electricguy
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A lot of times I have had to Install a subpanel for the installation of over the range microwaves. 
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- New Jersey
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- Journeyman Electrician
iwire said:
Sorry Bob but I have to disagree. If you agree to install a product (range)you need to also use a safety device provided by the manufacturer, how could it not be considered part of your job?
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infinity said:
I don't install ranges, I install outlets.
If I run power to location intended for a hoist is it my job to mount the hoist?
If I run power for an HVAC unit is it my job to install the unit?
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- New Jersey
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- Journeyman Electrician
iwire said:
It all depends on what your contractual obligation is. If it's to install the range than it should be done following the manufacturer's instructions including the supplied safety device to prevent any finger pointing if something goes wrong down the road.
I once did a job where we installed PO boxes in a post office. It seems that since some apartment mailboxes contained an intercom system it became the EC's work to install the mail boxes. The GC decided to give the PO box work to the EC following along the same lines.
roger3829
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iwire said:
Exactly.
I install outlets for appliances that plug in.
Like microwaves. I doesn't matter where the microwave will be, in a cabinet, under a cabinet, on the counter top.
I run the power wiring and control wiring for HVAC equiptment but do not install the actual equiptment.
2 install or not
2 install or not
I agree with Bob on this one also. I can relate to residential as installing outlets with a receptacle for appliance pigtail hookups. By doing so, the EC is off the hook for operational liability and installing appliances providing they avoid using flex conduit interfacing. In residential, ordering the appliances with pigtails saves a lot of trip time when an appliance late delivery will not impact the EC. Make sure the contract has a note stating additonal cost for direct wiring appliances. rbj
2 install or not
I agree with Bob on this one also. I can relate to residential as installing outlets with a receptacle for appliance pigtail hookups. By doing so, the EC is off the hook for operational liability and installing appliances providing they avoid using flex conduit interfacing. In residential, ordering the appliances with pigtails saves a lot of trip time when an appliance late delivery will not impact the EC. Make sure the contract has a note stating additonal cost for direct wiring appliances. rbj
Pierre C Belarge
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Years ago my fatherinlaw (Chief electrical inspector at the time) explained to me that filling out an electrical application could save me a lot of headaches and maybe even some money.....what has this got to do with anti-tip devices?????
When you are a contractor and filling out an app, sometimes it is just as wise to put on the app what you are not doing, not just what you are doing.
Such as for an addition to a house, and the dining & den are part of the addition, but not the kitchen & no service upgrade.
Write down that you are not wiring or adding to the kitchen or service....
Personally, I never installed the anti-tips, not even once. Cords/receptacles/hardwired and that is it.
When you are a contractor and filling out an app, sometimes it is just as wise to put on the app what you are not doing, not just what you are doing.
Such as for an addition to a house, and the dining & den are part of the addition, but not the kitchen & no service upgrade.
Write down that you are not wiring or adding to the kitchen or service....
Personally, I never installed the anti-tips, not even once. Cords/receptacles/hardwired and that is it.
LarryFine
Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
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- Henrico County, VA
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- Electrical Contractor
I always do if I'm "installing" a new range. I also always attach the dishwasher to the countertop when installing one of those.quogueelectric said:
LarryFine
Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
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- Henrico County, VA
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- Electrical Contractor
Absolutely. It's easy money, and even more if it has to be ducted.roger3829 said:
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- Massachusetts
LarryFine said:
Owner / operator, of course you do. :grin:
SPARKS40
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- Northern Il
I'm the electrician....my responsibility ends at the range recep.....
LarryFine
Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
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- Henrico County, VA
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- Electrical Contractor
I'll take on any work I know how to do if the price is right. I'm licensed for doing commercial and home improvement as well as electrical.SPARKS40 said:
We built a 400 sq.ft. master bedroom/bathroom a few years ago. The only work we subbed out was the HVAC and the brick/block foundation.
quogueelectric
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- new york
I never felt it was my responsibility but as someone who cares whether someone gets hurt because of ignorance of homeowners installing ranges by themselves I sometimes feel guilt because I feel as a buisnessman it is not my problem and shouldnt waste annother minute on it. However as a human being I am concerned for someone getting hurt on a safety device not installed because it fell through the cracks. Bottom line is I dont want to work for free and I dont want to take on liability that is not mine and I dont want anyone to get hurt. What is the right answer??I dont know.
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- New Jersey
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- Journeyman Electrician
LarryFine said:
So Larry, would you agree that if you "took on" the work of installing the range that you should also install the provided safety device?
LarryFine
Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
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- Henrico County, VA
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- Electrical Contractor
Absolutely, yes. If not me, then who?infinity said:
It takes all of 2 minutes, including measuring.
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- Massachusetts
infinity said:
If I was hired by a customer to install a range I agree as well.
But in 25 years that has never happened, I am hired to install outlets. If the customer wants to pay us more to install a range that might be arraigned.
To each their own and if I was a owner / worker I would probably do what ever I could to make money. But from my employee perspective as far as I am concerned the Maytag man installs appliances, just like the HVAC guy installs HVAC equipment.:smile:
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- New Jersey
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- Journeyman Electrician
iwire said:
I agree. My point was if you're paid to install the range then you should install the safety device as well and not leave it for the HO who will never install it.
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infinity said:I agree. My point was if you're paid to install the range then you should install the safety device as well and not leave it for the HO who will never install it.
Has that happened to you, have you been hired 'to install a range'?
Does that mean you pick it up at the store, truck to the job, bring it inside, install the bracket, install the whip, slide it in place, remove all packing materials and make it ready for use?
Just not something I have ever done even back when I used to do lots of apartments and condos.
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