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ironically, i use a local place by me...$25 in and out in 15 mins...i use him for a few reasons...

he's honest - he'll tell me if there is a problem, but doesn't try to sell me a flux capacitor every time i go there (a la Jiffy Lube)

he remembers me, my son, etc...not just a number to him

he has the same guys there year after year.

around me the local Jiffy Lube (et al) is around $20....

now as to how he does it...
he has a small shop in the same location for as long as I can remember...he owns the building, only pays property taxes...there isn't a computer in the shop...everything is pen and paper...it's a pretty run down place, not flashy or fancy...so he keeps his costs down, but he's still priced more than Jiffy Lube or anyplace that has cushy waiting rooms, etc.

but I do know people who won't go there, regardless of his price, because it's not cushy enough...they would rather go to the dealer, where they have coffee and tv's while you wait...go figure...
 
iwire said:
Is there more availble power in a room served by one 20 amp circuit or two 15 amp circuits?
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uuuuuuum...I guess I'm going to have to go out on a limb here...two 15's?:grin:
 
hardworkingstiff said:
That question presumes the electrician would pull 2 15-amp circuits in the same room. I don't think that would be the case.
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It is the case in this thread. :smile:

What in the world does #12 have to do with a well planned job? I would much rather have more 15 amp circuits than 20 amp circuits...
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I assume he means a greater number of 15 amp circuits then 20 amp circuits.
 
hardworkingstiff said:
? where, I missed that.
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I didn't read it like that either. Since iwire "erred" on the side of the 15 amp looking better, I'm guessing he is a 15 amp man.
Let's get ready to ruuuuumbuuuuule!:grin:
 
hardworkingstiff said:
? where, I missed that.
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Now I am lost.

Lou you quoted Stickboy saying


What in the world does #12 have to do with a well planned job? I would much rather have more 15 amp circuits than 20 amp circuits...
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More, for instance instead of 18 total circuits there would be 25 total circuits.

Obviously if the total number of circuits remains constant 20 amp circuits would be the way to go.
 
iwire said:
Now I am lost.

Lou you quoted Stickboy saying





More, for instance instead of 18 total circuits there would be 25 total circuits.

Obviously if the total number of circuits remains constant 20 amp circuits would be the way to go.
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My point Bob (not very well put before) is that when receptacle circuits are loaded heavy in a dwelling, it is usually in one room at 1 or 2 receptacles. I would rather have fewer 20-amp circuits and 5 more amps per circuit plus the larger wire for VD considerations.
 
hardworkingstiff said:
My point Bob (not very well put before) is that when receptacle circuits are loaded heavy in a dwelling, it is usually in one room at 1 or 2 receptacles. I would rather have fewer 20-amp circuits and 5 more amps per circuit plus the larger wire for VD considerations.
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lou, run the VD calcs on a #12 wire 100' 1 way and 16A load vs. #14 wire 100' 1 way and 12A load...you can't have your cake and eat it too here...#12 on a 15A breaker for VD...or a 20A breaker for more power, but no consideration for VD:D
 
normally i use my brain when i wire a house. if theres an overloaded circuit the day after the finish when the family moves in then there was no planning at all. running #12awg for circuits is a good idea if you dont want as many 15 amp circuits. but a well planned house doesnt need anything more than required by code. just takes a little thinking. no more than 6 - 9 outlets per circuit is the way i do it.
 
electricalperson said:
just takes a little thinking. no more than 6 - 9 outlets per circuit is the way i do it.
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Whats the difference when someone can easily overload just one receptacle? if you ask me 6-9 is a waste of a homerun. :grin:
 
stickboy1375 said:
Whats the difference when someone can easily overload just one receptacle? if you ask me 6-9 is a waste of a homerun. :grin:
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what could could a homeowner in a million dollar+ house plug into one outlet to overload it? an air compressor? i put 6 - 9 outlets on a circuit because thats the way i do it. if you dont agree then dont say the way i do it is a waste of a homerun. i never had any complaints and never any call backs about tripping breakers
 
electricalperson said:
what could could a homeowner in a million dollar+ house plug into one outlet to overload it? an air compressor? i put 6 - 9 outlets on a circuit because thats the way i do it. if you dont agree then dont say the way i do it is a waste of a homerun. i never had any complaints and never any call backs about tripping breakers
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It does not matter what it is, the point of the matter is you just dont know what a homeowner is going to do, and you cannot out smart them on the rough either... :grin:
 
stickboy1375 said:
It does not matter what it is, the point of the matter is you just dont know what a homeowner is going to do, and you cannot out smart them on the rough either... :grin:
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So we should wire the whole house in #10? If you do a walk through with the homeowner you will know exactly what they plan on doing. there is no guessing at all. Now when they sell the home if the next folks do something different it won't likely be much different.
 
Why not pipe the house, use all #10 current carrying condutors and then use 1 single #4 (or larger) grounded conductor ....think of the money you'll save.
 
stickboy1375 said:
It does not matter what it is, the point of the matter is you just dont know what a homeowner is going to do, and you cannot out smart them on the rough either... :grin:
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well the way i do it i never had an overloaded circuit. if there is an overloaded circuit then they changed something that i wasnt aware of. then they will pay extra for me to run a new circuit because of the change. and each bathroom gets there own circuit! im going to catch hell for that one for sure:grin:
 
electricalperson said:
well the way i do it i never had an overloaded circuit. if there is an overloaded circuit then they changed something that i wasnt aware of. then they will pay extra for me to run a new circuit because of the change. and each bathroom gets there own circuit! im going to catch hell for that one for sure:grin:
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You saw me throwing it did ya? so Catch!
 
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