Would you.....

[electricalperson]

i think the main reason people run #12 is to save energy and have little voltage drop. but the energy saved by running #12 wont show much on an electric bill. maybe in 30 years they will save 10 dollars

 

[emahler]

Why not pipe the house, use all #10 current carrying condutors and then use 1 single #4 (or larger) grounded conductor ....think of the money you'll save.

i'd just use the EMT as a ground and really save money

 

[stickboy1375]

what could could a homeowner in a million dollar+ house plug into one outlet to overload it? an air compressor? i put 6 - 9 outlets on a circuit because thats the way i do it. if you dont agree then dont say the way i do it is a waste of a homerun. i never had any complaints and never any call backs about tripping breakers

I'm only asking, if 6-9 isn't a problem why not 12-15? where do you draw the line, I'm not arguing with the way you wire a house, I could care less, especially since i'm not paying for the copper... :grin:

 

[electricalperson]

I'm only asking, if 6-9 isn't a problem why not 12-15? where do you draw the line, I'm not arguing with the way you wire a house, I could care less, especially since i'm not paying for the copper... :grin:

i feel theres less of a chance of an overloaded circuit if i run 6 - 9. usually when i say 6 - 9 it means 2 rooms per circuit for small or medium sized rooms and one room per circuit for a large room. i put 2 bedrooms per circuit if the house has central air. one room per circuit if the house doesnt so they can plug in air conditioners and not worry about tripping breakers. i wire for the future. if i think a room could be changed or used in a different way than whats on the print then i wire for that. also those receptacles in bedrooms will feed the lighting in that room .

 

[electricalperson]

now if this was commerical? no more than 3 computers per circuit. :grin:

 

[BryanMD]

i feel theres less of a chance of an overloaded circuit if i run 6 - 9. usually when i say 6 - 9 it means 2 rooms per circuit for small or medium sized rooms and one room per circuit for a large room...

One of the better resi EC's I worked for also did all receps in 12 and limited them (8 IIRC). His position was the system had to pass the "Christmas Morning" test. Everything they own is plugged in plus all the new stuff they just got plus all the laundry and kitchen and HVAC and hot water too.

Of course he was building his (usually spec) jobs on T&M.


ps Is Cayucos Jay here?

 

[celtic]

One of the better resi EC's I worked for also did all receps in 12 and limited them (8 IIRC). His position was the system had to pass the "Christmas Morning" test. Everything they own is plugged in plus all the new stuff they just got plus all the laundry and kitchen and HVAC and hot water too.

Better?

Is he better because he has a cyrstal ball to look into...see the future and know what people are getting for Christmas 10 years from now after the property has changed hands at least two times.

That is pretty dam good.

 

[electricalperson]

One of the better resi EC's I worked for also did all receps in 12 and limited them (8 IIRC). His position was the system had to pass the "Christmas Morning" test. Everything they own is plugged in plus all the new stuff they just got plus all the laundry and kitchen and HVAC and hot water too.

Of course he was building his (usually spec) jobs on T&M.


ps Is Cayucos Jay here?

the christmas morning test could work on kitchen counters also. large kitchen and only 2 circuits? i know its the minimum code but what if the person does a lot of cooking and has a lot of electric appliances? always better to go above the code in the intrest of the customer. just as long as they are willing to pay for it.

 

[electricalperson]

Better?

Is he better because he has a cyrstal ball to look into...see the future and know what people are getting for Christmas 10 years from now after the property has changed hands at least two times.

That is pretty dam good.

i worked in a house that had one 200 amp service and about 4 sub panels. i never seen a house with so many circuits and it wasnt even that big. the house even had a 2 stage heating system for the hot water tank alone. i didnt like working in that house that much.

 

[mivey]

...i never had any complaints and never any call backs about tripping breakers

That's because they have been calling stickboy1375 for the repair so it will be done right the second time:grin:

[edit: I'm a 20-amper]

 

[c2500]

and each bathroom gets there own circuit! im going to catch hell for that one for sure:grin:

No grief from me. :grin:

Well my master bath has 2-20's for the vanity. My wife and I can both run hair dryers (1875 watts each) etc. without tripping a breaker. I also suggest it to customers. Past that a 20 for each bathroom. I personally like the idea. But then again I grew up in a house that only had a few circuits and a blown fuse was very common.

c2500

 

[Okie Sparky]

I've visited this forum for a long time, recently joined. I have noticed that the threads that garner the most posts are the ones about residential work, mainly new construction. Are all of you guys on here bungalow-busters? Why waste all this time on getting wound up about resi work. Why mess with resi work at all? In my area (NW Oklahoma) resi EC's (new construction) would sell their grandmothers for a nickel. Competition is pretty tough, so why bother. There is plenty of money to be made in the commericial/industrial aspect of the trade. The last house I will wire is my own. I've wired enough houses to last for a long time.

 

[Minuteman]

Why mess with resi work at all? In my area (NW Oklahoma) resi EC's (new construction) would sell their grandmothers for a nickel. Competition is pretty tough, so why bother. There is plenty of money to be made in the commericial/industrial aspect of the trade. The last house I will wire is my own. I've wired enough houses to last for a long time.

Our work is about 50/50 residential and commercial/industrial, give or take. Sometimes, we go for months doing mostly one, and along comes work in the other. It's called being "diversified". Besides, somebody is gonna do it, might as well slice off the part of the pie that tastes the sweetest!