you don't get shocked if you touch only the hot screw on outlet?

[RatherBeFishin]

Not trying to promote hot work, but one sometimes tailors the order of things to the needs of the application. Been times I maybe didn't connect the EGC to the yoke of a device until it is the last thing left, that way you not grabbing something grounded while working with the ungrounded conductors.

Not trying to promote hot work, but one sometimes tailors the order of things to the needs of the application. Been times I maybe didn't connect the EGC to the yoke of a device until it is the last thing left, that way you not grabbing something grounded while working with the ungrounded conductors.

@kwired this is how i so hot devices as well,
Although was trained to make up ground first then neutral, then hot. The problem with that is I’ve been shocked by holding the device by the yoke with one hand and accidentally touching my screwdriver shaft while tightening the hot. That breaker won’t trip and you’ll just get shocked every time like that.

Or he’s a question for you if you do the ground first method and have your one hand holding the yoke and other hand holding the insulation of the hot wire while landing it in on the pin and you hit the yoke, that breaker should trip but wouldn’t you also get whacked at that same moment by touching ground with one hand?

 

[ptonsparky]

@kwired this is how i so hot devices as well,
Although was trained to make up ground first then neutral, then hot. The problem with that is I’ve been shocked by holding the device by the yoke with one hand and accidentally touching my screwdriver shaft while tightening the hot. That breaker won’t trip and you’ll just get shocked every time like that.

Or he’s a question for you if you do the ground first method and have your one hand holding the yoke and other hand holding the insulation of the hot wire while landing it in on the pin and you hit the yoke, that breaker should trip but wouldn’t you also get whacked at that same moment by touching ground with one hand?

Depends on where your feet are. That is a direct short. You will be a bird on a wire.

 

[drcampbell]

... The problem with that is I’ve been shocked by holding the device by the yoke with one hand and accidentally touching my screwdriver shaft while tightening the hot. That breaker won’t trip and you’ll just get shocked every time like that. ...

Only if you're working barehand and using uninsulated tools. D'Oh!
I realize there's a difference of opinion about whether to do hot work in the first place, but there shouldn't be any disagreement about wearing rated-for-the-voltage dielectric gloves and using rated-for-the-voltage insulated tools when you do.

... if you do the ground first method and have your one hand holding the yoke and other hand holding the insulation of the hot wire while landing it in on the pin and you hit the yoke, that breaker should trip but wouldn’t you also get whacked at that same moment by touching ground with one hand?

Sure, touching ground with one hand and a hot wire with the other will shock you. Not only that, hand-to-hand one of the most-dangerous pathways -- a significant fraction of the current will pass through your heart.

But if you're suggesting that hooking up the ground wire last is an acceptable workaround, consider that many common materials, such as concrete, shoe leather, and many plastics & rubbers, are conductive enough to kill. And even perfect insulators allow capacitive current to pass; your cardiac rhythm can't distinguish between real current and reactive current.