electricmanscott
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- Boston, MA
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- Massachusetts Master Electrician, one man show.
I see seven yes votes (Two from inspectors who might be "requiring" this) and zero arguments as to why a yes vote is the correct vote. 
YOU make the call! Recep in kitchen bet
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dcspector
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- Burke, Virginia
I see seven yes votes (Two from inspectors who might be "requiring" this) and zero arguments as to why a yes vote is the correct vote.
Scott simply misinterp......IMO
- Location
- Logan, Utah
I voted NO as well.
Chris
Chris
RICK NAPIER
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- New Jersey
I vote no.
JohnJ0906
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- Location
- Baltimore, MD
I see seven yes votes (Two from inspectors who might be "requiring" this) and zero arguments as to why a yes vote is the correct vote.
I would like to know why they feel it is required.
Volta
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- Location
- Columbus, Ohio
Maybe
Maybe
If countertop spaces are separated (by a sink), each section would be considered as separate spaces in applying 210.52(C)(3).
Reading the actual text of 210.52(C), an area behind the unit (sink) with a width of less than 12 inches qualifies as separating the countertop.
Now CMP 2 probably meant depth, and that word would make it ok.
I will agree that it should'nt be required, was not likely meant that way, but that is what it says according to standard dimensional language.
Maybe
If countertop spaces are separated (by a sink), each section would be considered as separate spaces in applying 210.52(C)(3).
Reading the actual text of 210.52(C), an area behind the unit (sink) with a width of less than 12 inches qualifies as separating the countertop.
Now CMP 2 probably meant depth, and that word would make it ok.
I will agree that it should'nt be required, was not likely meant that way, but that is what it says according to standard dimensional language.
steelersman
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- Lake Ridge, VA
people who voted yes are clearly outnumbered and wrong.
Volta
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- Location
- Columbus, Ohio
people who voted yes are clearly outnumbered and wrong.
And you are probably right. Could you explain it then? What language shows that we clearly do not have a separate space?
Possibly some of those that voted 'Yes' haven't looked it up. Charlie's Rule in action!
walkerj
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steelersman
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- Lake Ridge, VA
I didn't bother to look it up. I voted based on the code articles that were posted by George. In the diagram there is 12.5 inches behind the sink, therefore it doesn't divide it into 2 countertops, which then means that the recept. that is already there suffices.
I didn't bother to look it up. I voted based on the code articles that were posted by George. In the diagram there is 12.5 inches behind the sink, therefore it doesn't divide it into 2 countertops, which then means that the recept. that is already there suffices.
So suppose George (no offense intended here, George!) mistyped and put 11?" instead of 12?"? Your answer would be different, but wrong.
steelersman
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- Location
- Lake Ridge, VA
no. It would be different but right.
Besides, I don't care. I don't encounter this stuff anymore. And if it rears it's ugly head someday in the future then I'll deal with it at that time.
- Location
- Windsor, CO NEC: 2017
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- Hospital Master Electrician
No typo. But I am curious about the "yes" votes.
Based on the vote, he bought beer. Not the right beer, but hopefully he fixes that tomorrow.
billsnuff
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- East of 480sparky
Here's to George.......
Here's to George.......
Here's to George.......
Consistency of wording is sometimes nice; I agree it should say depth. The associated drawing makes clear that it is the distance between the countertop and sink - not the width of the sink.
<12" triggers 210:52(C) paragraph 2 that the left and right of the sink are separate peninsula areas. Therefore 210:52(C)(3) kicks in. Then it becomes Yes.
Reread that section. It states that if the measurement is less than 12 inches, the countertop is considered seperated. George's drawing states 12? inches (which is greater than 12 at least when I went to school), so paragraph 2 of 210.52(C) does not apply.
inspector 102
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- Location
- Northern Indiana
Beside being a lousy location for a receptacle where anyone walking by could snag a cord, I too believe this is an extension of the penisula which has already been properly provided with a receptacle.
steelersman
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- Lake Ridge, VA
you are wrong. Re-read it and re-read it and re-read it again until you understand that in George's diagram the counterspace is 12.5" which as 480 said is larger than 12" which in turn means that the counterspace is not divided in 2 by the sink. This therefore means that the one recept. already in place suffices.
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