Your most observed code violation?

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Originally posted by bphgravity:
1. Section 110.12 Mechanical Execution of Work. Electrical equipment shall be installed in a neat and workmanlike manner. Too bad this section is not exactly enforceable
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It's completely enforceable. It is right there in black and white. It is also ridiculous and should be removed. A "sloppy installation" (only based on opinion not fact" does not constitute a life safety issue which I believe is what the code is written to protect the world from.
 
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Answer to first question. You are allowed 3 grounded conductors (bare ground) to one terminal if the terminal is labeled as such. Many loadcenters allow this. Ref to 110.14A
 
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Originally posted by physis:
I don't read every thread and I don't read every post.
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Well, you better work on that :D ;)

Also huge mega dittos on Rodgers post regarding wholesale house guys clueing you in. I can't count the number of times an electrician has told me the guy at the wholesale house said this or that product was correct for the application
 
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Harley,
Answer to first question. You are allowed 3 grounded conductors (bare ground) to one terminal if the terminal is labeled as such.
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Please be careful with your choice of words. The grounded conductor is not the "bare ground". The grounding conductor is the "bare ground". You are correct that some panels are listed for up to 3 grounding conductors per termination, but none are listed for more than on grounded conductor per termination.
Don
 
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Also those that are listed for 3 grounding conduters under one terminal also require that all must be the same size up to # 10.We went through this a few years ago when tagged for this same scenario Cutler Hammer lister thier groundbars for up to 3 conductors of the same size no larger that # 10
 
videobruce said:
25' :confused:
Please explain. Kinda long extension cord isn't it?
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Not really, all service people carry atleast one 100' cord ( if they're serious about doing the work) on the truck or van in addition to shorter cords.

Roger
 
Then this is referring to a central HVAC unit, not a window A/C?

The term "air conditioner" tells me it's a window A/C., not a central furnace attached unit. Really bad and confusing terminnology if this is the case.
 
You're reading past the words "equipment" and "servicing", 210.63 is not pertaing to a receptacle that would supply power to a wall or window AC unit.

Roger
 
Generators (optional standby systems), Separtate stuctures served by a common service, Pools.

These jobs are easily the three most problematic installations.
 
videobruce said:
Then this is referring to a central HVAC unit, not a window A/C?

The term "air conditioner" tells me it's a window A/C., not a central furnace attached unit. Really bad and confusing terminnology if this is the case.
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Here is the actual wording, it is pretty clear.

210.63 Heating, Air-Conditioning, and Refrigeration Equipment Outlet.

A 125-volt, single-phase, 15- or 20-ampere-rated receptacle outlet shall be installed at an accessible location for the servicing of heating, air-conditioning, and refrigeration equipment. The receptacle shall be located on the same level and within 7.5 m (25 ft) of the heating, air-conditioning, and refrigeration equipment. The receptacle outlet shall not be connected to the load side of the equipment disconnecting means.


FPN:See 210.8 for ground-fault circuit-interrupter requirements.​
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Now all of that makes perfect sense, but that wasn't in the orginal quote (no mention of the word "servicing") and I don't have a copy of the current code book.
 
As far as the ground rod thing goes,lets add a ufer that has the rebar coming out from the slab and is attached to_On rough it is inspected and passed.Now comes the final and the landscaping is done,The inspector insists on seeing it to ensure it is intact.But when he/she does the final they tag the final for the ufer not being exposed.This isn`t a scenario ,it is a factual inspection and tag I have dealt with 100`s of times.I`ve used the argument that it has already passed but all I have been told is that the chief wants the ufer inspected on a final.
So we tear up the landscaping finding it and of course the builder gets peeved but that is what we have to do to get the final and a meter so they can close the house.
 
allenwayne said:
As far as the ground rod thing goes,lets add a ufer that has the rebar coming out from the slab and is attached to_On rough it is inspected and passed.Now comes the final and the landscaping is done,The inspector insists on seeing it to ensure it is intact.But when he/she does the final they tag the final for the ufer not being exposed.This isn`t a scenario ,it is a factual inspection and tag I have dealt with 100`s of times.I`ve used the argument that it has already passed but all I have been told is that the chief wants the ufer inspected on a final.
So we tear up the landscaping finding it and of course the builder gets peeved but that is what we have to do to get the final and a meter so they can close the house.
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Wow, they just turn up the Ufer here into the outside wall. We set the panel close by and attach the EGC to the CEE and screw a single gang plaster ring to a stud close to the connection. Call for rough.

At final, we have a single gang blank installed into the plater ring. If inspector wants to see it, he can remove the blank.
 
macmikeman said:
Here is another one I keep seeing all the time- remove an acoustic ceiling tile and see a junction box with the cover missing and all the wires hanging out.
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If the manufacturer intended the boxes to have covers, they would have included covers with them!




Think the AHJ will buy that argument? :eek:
 
Minuteman said:
Wow, they just turn up the Ufer here into the outside wall. We set the panel close by and attach the EGC to the CEE and screw a single gang plaster ring to a stud close to the connection. Call for rough.

At final, we have a single gang blank installed into the plater ring. If inspector wants to see it, he can remove the blank.
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Until last year the ufer was stubbed under the form board and up turned then we had to attach a ground wire to the rebar within the footer that was inspected by the building inspector and not the electrical inspector.99 % of the homes here are block and unless you are there to chase the masons a plaster/mud ring wouldn`t be the answer.But we tore up 1000`s of lawns finding the ufer .Why,because the chief electrical inspector found one that was damaged by a box blade and he required all inspections to include inspecting the ufer on a final after it had been signed off on rough.
 
Allen,

I hate to tell you this but it is a good idea to check the Grounding Electrode at the final even though it was checked at the rough. The box blade incident is a very good example of why. When I was inspecting in a rural area here I came across many Ground Rods pulled up half way out of the ground then bent over because the box blade operator did not want to admit he did it. I then began to request to see all ground rods at final. I was very lucky to find the ones I found that were damaged (quite a few actually). Of course there were hints at final like: PVC used to protect GEC pulled 6" away from building, GEC pulled tight in meter can, etc.

I thought I saw a thread here on "Monolithic" slabs vs. "Stem Wall" construction and the UFER grounding electrode. Is that true? If not maybe a thread for it would be a good thing.

Andrew
 
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