Sierrasparky
Senior Member
- Location
- USA
- Occupation
- Electrician ,contractor
We can tel all the horible stories in the world and that just will not convince the customer. Most will take the chance. We all are destine to take the risk. It is impressed upon us all day long. Interest rates on Mortages, Credit cards etc.
It is most difficult to convince a homeowner that they need to obtain a permits on minor work or even at times major work when the inspector just does a walk through, does not ask to remove a outlet cover, does not ask to remove a panel cover, does not look under the home where the wire was fished. Most if not all homeowners feel that the permit process is for the ultimate collection of taxes. The permit process itself may be not for profit but in the end when it cost you higher property taxes then I can see the issue.
When someone repairs a deck and is charged a permit fee then to have taxes increased by 300.00 dollars for life for a 1500.00 repair that is exessive.
As I said a smart and prudent person would just demand that the project be done to all codes and take teir chances with the inspector. I say this only because I see it all the time. I walk from way to many projects because the homeowner does not want permits. I don't want the liabilty and walk. There is always someone around the bend who will work.
I have one more scenario I have turned down no less that 15 tankless whole house hot water heaters over the past several years. Each and everyone of them eventually got installed by other licensed electricians. Some were done with permits some not. Each and everyone of them had only a 100 amp service. Each of them needed a service pf at least 150 amps according to a load calc or the manufactures requirement. Each and every one of the units installed have had issues. Several of the homes the EC just added a bigger breaker to the existing feeder because the main was tripping. Whats the point.
Hey I just needed to vent this one....
It is most difficult to convince a homeowner that they need to obtain a permits on minor work or even at times major work when the inspector just does a walk through, does not ask to remove a outlet cover, does not ask to remove a panel cover, does not look under the home where the wire was fished. Most if not all homeowners feel that the permit process is for the ultimate collection of taxes. The permit process itself may be not for profit but in the end when it cost you higher property taxes then I can see the issue.
When someone repairs a deck and is charged a permit fee then to have taxes increased by 300.00 dollars for life for a 1500.00 repair that is exessive.
As I said a smart and prudent person would just demand that the project be done to all codes and take teir chances with the inspector. I say this only because I see it all the time. I walk from way to many projects because the homeowner does not want permits. I don't want the liabilty and walk. There is always someone around the bend who will work.
I have one more scenario I have turned down no less that 15 tankless whole house hot water heaters over the past several years. Each and everyone of them eventually got installed by other licensed electricians. Some were done with permits some not. Each and everyone of them had only a 100 amp service. Each of them needed a service pf at least 150 amps according to a load calc or the manufactures requirement. Each and every one of the units installed have had issues. Several of the homes the EC just added a bigger breaker to the existing feeder because the main was tripping. Whats the point.
Hey I just needed to vent this one....