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    #46
    Originally posted by PaulMmn View Post
    I read it as:

    "On island and peninsular countertops or work surface..."
    "On island and peninsular (countertops or work surface)"

    the "or" refers to how you define the 'peninsular' flat surface; it's not adding a 3rd option.
    It’s ambiguous.

    Your interpretation is valid. It could also be interpreted as (island and peninsular countertops) or work surfaces.

    Another code section that could use some clarification.

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      #47
      Originally posted by retirede View Post
      It’s ambiguous.

      Your interpretation is valid. It could also be interpreted as (island and peninsular countertops) or work surfaces.

      Another code section that could use some clarification.
      It wasn't ambiguous in the 2014 NEC. They added the words "or work surface" in the 2017. Before that it just said "countertops". That is why I believe it only applies to islands and peninsulas. I don't believe it is meant to apply to any work surface.

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        #48
        Originally posted by PaulMmn View Post
        I read it as:

        "On island and peninsular countertops or work surface..."
        "On island and peninsular (countertops or work surface)"

        the "or" refers to how you define the 'peninsular' flat surface; it's not adding a 3rd option.
        Definition of 'or' : "Used to link alternatives."

        I don't see anything in that definition about how I define one choice or the other.

        Besides, if the exception applied ONLY to islands and peninsulas, it would be in 210.52(C)(2) and 210.52(C)(3), which are specific to them.... not (5), which covers all SABC receps.

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          #49
          Originally posted by packersparky View Post
          It wasn't ambiguous in the 2014 NEC. They added the words "or work surface" in the 2017. Before that it just said "countertops". That is why I believe it only applies to islands and peninsulas. I don't believe it is meant to apply to any work surface.
          I wonder what the reason was for the added words?

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            #50
            Originally posted by retirede View Post
            I wonder what the reason was for the added words?
            The ROP will tell you.

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              #51
              Originally posted by 480sparky View Post
              Definition of 'or' : "Used to link alternatives."

              I don't see anything in that definition about how I define one choice or the other.

              Besides, if the exception applied ONLY to islands and peninsulas, it would be in 210.52(C)(2) and 210.52(C)(3), which are specific to them.... not (5), which covers all SABC receps.
              Before the 2017 code the exception clearly only applied to island and peninsula countertops, and yet the exception was still located in 210.52(C)(5).

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                #52
                Some of you guys don't need an inspector. You need a grammar teacher. Lol
                I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I'm not kidding


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                  #53
                  Originally posted by retirede View Post
                  I wonder what the reason was for the added words?
                  Somebody probably argued that a built-in butcher block cutting board (common as part of many islands) was not a countertop?

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                    #54
                    https://www.inc.com/jeff-haden/how-1...on-richer.html

                    Words have meaning (including incorrectly used words that can make you look dumb). And so does punctuation: The lack of one Oxford comma in a Maine state law just cost Oakhurst Dairy $5 million in overtime pay.

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by GoldDigger View Post
                      Somebody probably argued that a built-in butcher block cutting board (common as part of many islands) was not a countertop?

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                      Or a granite section installed specifically for rolling out dough.

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                        #56
                        We have had the same issue. This is what we used.

                        http://www.aifittings.com/catalog/sp...its/FLBT4400BL

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by Skyeler View Post
                          We have had the same issue. This is what we used.

                          http://www.aifittings.com/catalog/sp...its/FLBT4400BL

                          [ATTACH=CONFIG]23063[/ATTACH]
                          Thats a good solution. It comes up quite often for us, I believe it was Larry or someone on here that turned me on to http://www.sillites.com/newconstruction.php
                          Another option is to hide plug mold, or drawer receptacles.
                          These ultra modern Euro designs are quite common here.
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                          Comments based on 2017 NEC unless otherwise noted.

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by tortuga View Post
                            I believe it was Larry or someone on here . . .
                            It was not I.
                            Master Electrician
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                              #59
                              Originally posted by LarryFine View Post
                              It was not I.
                              So your going to make me look back in time:
                              https://forums.mikeholt.com/showthre...45#post1751745
                              it was iwire thanks for that tip iwire.
                              Comments based on 2017 NEC unless otherwise noted.

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