LarryFine
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kitchen countertop recep spacing with large garden window
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packersparky
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"countertops or work surface" is preceded by "island or peninsular". It does not apply to all work surfaces in this exception.
"On island and peninsular countertops or work surface"
Choose one. That's what the word 'or' means.
So let's break it down.
On island and peninsular countertops or work surface where the surface is flat across its entire surface (no backsplashes, dividers, etc.) and there are no means to mount a receptacle within 500 mm (20 in.) above the countertop or work surface, such as an overhead cabinet
I choose the latter, 'work surface where the surface is flat across....' So let's eliminate that which I didn't choose.
On .....work surface where the surface is flat across its entire surface (no backsplashes, dividers, etc.) and there are no means to mount a receptacle within 500 mm (20 in.) above the countertop or work surface, such as an overhead cabinet......
LarryFine
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When in doubt, consult the inspector.
PaulMmn
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I read it as:
"On island and peninsular countertops or work surface..."
"On island and peninsular (countertops or work surface)"
the "or" refers to how you define the 'peninsular' flat surface; it's not adding a 3rd option.
It’s ambiguous.
Your interpretation is valid. It could also be interpreted as (island and peninsular countertops) or work surfaces.
Another code section that could use some clarification.
packersparky
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It wasn't ambiguous in the 2014 NEC. They added the words "or work surface" in the 2017. Before that it just said "countertops". That is why I believe it only applies to islands and peninsulas. I don't believe it is meant to apply to any work surface.
Definition of 'or' : "Used to link alternatives."
I don't see anything in that definition about how I define one choice or the other.
Besides, if the exception applied ONLY to islands and peninsulas, it would be in 210.52(C)(2) and 210.52(C)(3), which are specific to them.... not (5), which covers all SABC receps.
I wonder what the reason was for the added words?
The ROP will tell you.
packersparky
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Before the 2017 code the exception clearly only applied to island and peninsula countertops, and yet the exception was still located in 210.52(C)(5).
Russell Ensslin
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Some of you guys don't need an inspector. You need a grammar teacher. Lol
I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I'm not kidding
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Somebody probably argued that a built-in butcher block cutting board (common as part of many islands) was not a countertop?
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PaulMmn
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https://www.inc.com/jeff-haden/how-...-did-make-its-employees-5-million-richer.html
Words have meaning (including incorrectly used words that can make you look dumb). And so does punctuation: The lack of one Oxford comma in a Maine state law just cost Oakhurst Dairy $5 million in overtime pay.
Words have meaning (including incorrectly used words that can make you look dumb). And so does punctuation: The lack of one Oxford comma in a Maine state law just cost Oakhurst Dairy $5 million in overtime pay.
Or a granite section installed specifically for rolling out dough.
We have had the same issue. This is what we used.
http://www.aifittings.com/catalog/specialty-boxes/countertop-box-kits/FLBT4400BL
http://www.aifittings.com/catalog/specialty-boxes/countertop-box-kits/FLBT4400BL
Thats a good solution. It comes up quite often for us, I believe it was Larry or someone on here that turned me on to http://www.sillites.com/newconstruction.php
Another option is to hide plug mold, or drawer receptacles.
These ultra modern Euro designs are quite common here.
LarryFine
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It was not I.
So your going to make me look back in time:
https://forums.mikeholt.com/showthread.php?t=177794&p=1751745#post1751745
it was iwire thanks for that tip iwire.
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