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    True or false:

    A cord and plug connected undercabinet task light can of course be plugged into a small appliance receptacle, but the same light can not be hardwired to the small appliance circuit?
    Ethan Brush - East West Electric. NY, WA. MA

    "You can't generalize"

    #2
    Re: under-cabinet lights

    True.

    See 210.52(B)(2), and if you're wondering why I know that without looking, don't ask.

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      #3
      Re: under-cabinet lights

      True. BUT, I have no doubt that this group can find some way to twist this around so bad that there would be no answer that we could all agree on. Three replies, going for 300!
      There are two kinds of people - those smart enough to know they donít know, and those dumb enough to insist they do.-----Margery Eagan

      Open shop since 1988

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        #4
        Re: under-cabinet lights

        True.

        On the same lines as :

        You can plug a vaccum into a dining room receptacle but can you hard-wire a 120v. vac port off of the dining room circut?
        Todd
        Live Long and Prosper.

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          #5
          Re: under-cabinet lights

          Scott,

          You wouldn't by chance be referring to the "Switched Din. Rm. Outlet?" thread now would you? Oops! should I not have typed those words?
          Ethan Brush - East West Electric. NY, WA. MA

          "You can't generalize"

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            #6
            Re: under-cabinet lights

            True. BUT, I have no doubt that this group can find some way to twist this around so bad that there would be no answer that we could all agree on.
            Scott, after I stop laughing I might consider that a challenge.
            Sam, San Francisco Bay Area

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              #7
              Re: under-cabinet lights

              At first read and before my first cup of coffee I think I will say false. After a little though I may change my mind but as it stands now I think I will stay with false.

              Is this light permanently installed under this cabinet? Then we might have a problem and based on this I stand with false.

              Can I install the sink light or the hood fan light and cord and plug them?
              Mike Whitt
              God answers Knee-Mail.

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                #8
                Re: under-cabinet lights

                True,no gray print here
                Tampa Florida

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                  #9
                  Mike Whitt
                  God answers Knee-Mail.

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                    #10
                    Re: under-cabinet lights

                    Electrofelon wrote:
                    ...but the same light can not be hardwired to the small appliance circuit?
                    JW, slow down. The answer is "true."

                    By all rights, there are no other outlets in this kitchen, JW. [i](Edit: With the cord-connected light!

                    [ April 28, 2005, 07:57 AM: Message edited by: georgestolz ]

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                      #11
                      Mike Whitt
                      God answers Knee-Mail.

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                        #12
                        Re: under-cabinet lights

                        In my effort to see 300...
                        I think I agree with JW, that if it is a permanently attach piece of equipment, be it a light or a can opener or whatever, now it has to be wired appropriately. The canopener is an appliance. The U/C light is not.
                        As far as portability, there is nothing that says we can't plug an air freshener, a vacuum, a curling iron, a plug in search light or anything else into those outlets, but as soon as it becomes permanent, it has to be an appliance.

                        Only 280some to go...

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                          #13
                          • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The under-counter light is an appliance.</font>
                          <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"></font>
                          • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It is designed to be fastened in place in such a way as to permit ready removal for maintenance or repair.</font>
                          <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"></font>
                          • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It is intended for flexible cord connection.</font>
                          <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"></font>
                          • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Therefore, per 400.7(A), it is permitted to be used with a flexible cord, even if it its screwed into the bottom of the counter.</font>
                          <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"></font>
                          • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Therefore, per 400.7(B), it is required to be energized from a receptacle outlet.</font>
                          <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"></font><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">QED
                          Charles E. Beck, P.E., Seattle
                          Comments based on 2017 NEC unless otherwise noted.

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                            #14
                            Re: under-cabinet lights

                            WOW... You Da MAN....

                            Great call

                            truely enjoy reading the work of a real Pro.
                            inspector at the beach

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                              #15
                              Re: under-cabinet lights

                              Charlie - talk about a s....t....r....e....t...c...h!!! I see nothing in 400.7 or 400.8 that indicates that an object becomes an appliance by installing a flexible cord. 400.7 lists items that can have flexible cords, nowhere does it say that item now becomes an appliance by doing so.

                              I think I'm going to agree with jw on this one; once you fasten the luminaire to the cabinet it becomes permenant and not allowed on the sm. appl. br. ckt.

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