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Location of receptacles for gas ranges
- Thread starter mkdm0
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What is the code reference in this case?There sure are, but disconnecting means are not.
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- Massachusetts
I am laying in bed eating vicodins and you want a code reference?:grin:
Do you think that disconnecting means can be located so they can not be used?
Pierre C Belarge
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Some disconnects are required to be "accessible".
Accessible can be behind equipment that is not guarded by locked doors, elevation, or other effective means, as per the definition in Article 100
Accessible can be behind equipment that is not guarded by locked doors, elevation, or other effective means, as per the definition in Article 100
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Yes.
But I am having a real hard time justifying the existence of 422.33(B) if we can bury a disconnect behind a range.
Gas powered or not if a range has a cord it is 'cord and plug' connected and 422.(B) applies, if there is no drawer to access the disconnecting means then we have to figure out another way to provide the disconnecting means.
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- Lockport, IL
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- Retired Electrical Engineer
I'm doing a quick breakfast before heading to work, so I don't have a code book to look this up. But does an appliance need a local disconnecting means in the first place? I mean that a plug and cord connection certainly does allow for easy disconnection for maintenance, but if the receptacle is hard to get at, why should that matter? I know that motors and HVAC equipment have to have disconnects within sight, and that some exceptions exist for lockable breakers. But does the code have a similar rule for ranges and fridges?
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- Massachusetts
Yes, 422.30
It has to be 'accessible' per 422.33(A)
422.33(B) addresses ranges specifically.
wasasparky
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More specifically - Electric ranges
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- Massachusetts
Yeah the OP is asking about a gas range and 422.30(B) does only apply to electric ranges. My mistake, I missed that they slipped 'electric' ranges into the text.
Regardless disconnecting means must be accessible.
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IMO you have a violation.
It does not matter where the instructions say to place the receptacle, your more then free to install the receptacle behind the range but if you also want it to serve as the disconnecting means you have a problem.
Let me ask this, how big or heavy does an appliance have to be before I can not block the disconnecting means with it.
Can I place the disconnecting means for a commercial dishwasher behind it so that the dishwasher has to be removed before the switch can be operated?
I think what we have a here is a section of code that has always worked using a 'common sense' approach but once we really think about it has a lot of holes.
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- Massachusetts
Maybe you are a gorilla.
If it was hardwired would you locate a disconnecting switch behind it?
Sierrasparky
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- USA
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- Electrician ,contractor
Bob,
Not to tak the wind out of your sale but the PDF above showes the Gas and electric below. What is the problem here. The cord and gas shut-off will be accessable when you remove the drawer. I do electric ranges like this all the time. What is the problem it is very easy to remove the plug. It's far less likely to be damaged in a cabinet full of pots and stuff.
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I have no sails.:grin:
Just talking code here, there are a lot of things done all the time that do in fact violate the NEC.
If it was hardwired with flex would you locate a disconnecting switch behind it?
M. D.
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Maybe you are a gorilla.
If it was hardwired would you locate a disconnecting switch behind it?
No ..
do you install a breaker lock for the fridge if the receptacle is behind it ?
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No ... and yes I think that is a violation.
Now how about an entertainment center?:grin:
I don't think I have all the answers, I think the code is vague here.
If I have an electric range without a drawer the NEC seems to feel the disconnect would not be accessible.
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- Lockport, IL
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- Retired Electrical Engineer
Thanks for the code articles. But I have to take issue with you on this one, Bob. It says "accessible," not "readily accessible." The definition of "accessible" speaks of being closed in by the structure, not of moving an appliance out of the way.
My gas range uses 120 volt power for the ignitors and the convection fan. It is plug and cord connected to a receptacle with a location similar to that shown in M.D.'s post #50 link. The gas line is long enough and flexible enough to allow the range to be moved completely out of its location, and the cord is long enough also. So I can move the range, walk behind it, and unplug the cord. That counts as "accessible," in my book.
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- Lockport, IL
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- Retired Electrical Engineer
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- Massachusetts
Charlie the logical conclusion is that the CMP felt an electric range is to much to move to reach the disconnecting means.
To say that somehow changes when the appliance is primarily gas seems like a long stretch to me.
If it was hardwired would you locate a disconnecting switch behind it?
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