supplimental GES for disconnect
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jumper
Senior Member
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- 3 Hr 2 Min from Winged Horses
It is required and to be correct: it is not a supplemental GES. Each structure requires its own GES. 250.32
resistance
Senior Member
- Location
- WA
Yes!!
I believe it?s under 250.32
I believe it?s under 250.32
resistance
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- WA
Seems jumper types faster :blink: (love the icons)
jxofaltrds
Inspector Mike®
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- Mike P. Columbus Ohio
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- ESI, PI, RBO
Why do you 'have' to install a disconnect within 30'? Is this on private property?
stickboy1375
Senior Member
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- Litchfield, CT
Im not sure I understand this?
550.32 Service Equipment.
(A) Mobile Home Service Equipment. The mobile home
service equipment shall be located adjacent to the mobile
home and not mounted in or on the mobile home. The
service equipment shall be located in sight from and not
more than 9.0 m (30 ft) from the exterior wall of the mobile
home it serves. The service equipment shall be permitted to
be located elsewhere on the premises, provided that a disconnecting
means suitable? for use as service equipment is
located within sight from and not more than 9.0 m (30 ft)
from the exterior wall of the mobile home it serves and is
rated not less than that required for service equipment per
550.32(C). Grounding at the disconnecting means shall be
in accordance with 250.32.
stickboy1375
Senior Member
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- Litchfield, CT
Thanks!
jxofaltrds
Inspector Mike®
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- Mike P. Columbus Ohio
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- ESI, PI, RBO
sorry missed the park part!
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jxofaltrds
Inspector Mike®
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- Mike P. Columbus Ohio
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- ESI, PI, RBO
Still can't believe that this system works.
The one on the left is an ABS pad 'sitting' on the ground.
The one on the right is just 'pressed' into the ground.
http://products.tiedown.com/viewitems/building-foundation-systems/xi-steel-pier-system
Added this: http://www.claytonhomes.com/display/clayton/pdf/Xi2_Foundation_CA-RADCO.pdf
The one on the left is an ABS pad 'sitting' on the ground.
The one on the right is just 'pressed' into the ground.
http://products.tiedown.com/viewitems/building-foundation-systems/xi-steel-pier-system
Added this: http://www.claytonhomes.com/display/clayton/pdf/Xi2_Foundation_CA-RADCO.pdf
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kwired
Electron manager
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- NE Nebraska
I don't see a park part. Doesn't matter disconnect needs to be within 30 feet of a mobile home whether service or feeder, park or no park.
jxofaltrds
Inspector Mike®
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- Mike P. Columbus Ohio
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- ESI, PI, RBO
Mobile home yes. Not a manufactured home (OP) if it meets 550.32(B)
resistance
Senior Member
- Location
- WA
I believe manufactured home disconnects are regulated under section 230.70(A)1
-Just to add (Note: Not to say it applies in this case):For the purpose of this Code and unless otherwise indicated, the term mobile home includes manufactured homes.
-In addition: Some Utility companies will require the disconnect to be within 30’. We did over 20 Man Homes like this three years ago. Heres an insert from one of our local utilities: For manufactured homes, the disconnectingmeans must be within 30’ of the home.This would also affect pole location if thedisconnecting means is on the meter pole.Refer to National Electric Code and WAC 296-46B regarding manufactured homes.
-Just to add (Note: Not to say it applies in this case):For the purpose of this Code and unless otherwise indicated, the term mobile home includes manufactured homes.
-In addition: Some Utility companies will require the disconnect to be within 30’. We did over 20 Man Homes like this three years ago. Heres an insert from one of our local utilities: For manufactured homes, the disconnectingmeans must be within 30’ of the home.This would also affect pole location if thedisconnecting means is on the meter pole.Refer to National Electric Code and WAC 296-46B regarding manufactured homes.
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jxofaltrds
Inspector Mike®
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- Mike P. Columbus Ohio
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- ESI, PI, RBO
No 550.1 scope.
Yes to the definition. 550.32 indicates otherwise.
POCO may say things but the AHJ has the final word. Been there done that!
kwired
Electron manager
- Location
- NE Nebraska
Yes.
Utility Co needs to keep out of those requirements, and let AHJ take care of them. What if mobile home is on a farm or other large property (even mobile home parks) with multiple buildings or structures. That is where you run into needing disconnect within 30 feet because the service is too far away.
When POCO makes requirements that do not comply with NEC AHJ needs to step in and inform them of NEC requirements and they need to make some agreement to get the POCO requirements changed. Now if POCO wants to exceed NEC minimums then AHJ should not have a problem, but occasionally they want us to do things that do not meet NEC minimums.
resistance
Senior Member
- Location
- WA
I agree, but where does it say you can?t have two disconnects.
"On" or "in" the manufactured home is still within 30'. OP says the service is more than30' away.
Just for clarification, mobile homes' disconnects cannot be "on" or "in" them... whereas the disconnect for manufactured homes can be.
jxofaltrds
Inspector Mike®
- Location
- Mike P. Columbus Ohio
- Occupation
- ESI, PI, RBO
550.32 Service Equipment.
(A) Mobile Home Service Equipment.
(B) Manufactured Home Service Equipment.
This is clearly seperate, (A) applys to mobile homes (B) applys to manufactured homes.
Now read the last part of (B):
Where the service equipment is not installed in or on the
unit, the installation shall comply with the other provisions of
this section.
(A) only applys if (B) is not met (manufactured homes). No 30' in (B).
(A) Mobile Home Service Equipment.
(B) Manufactured Home Service Equipment.
This is clearly seperate, (A) applys to mobile homes (B) applys to manufactured homes.
Now read the last part of (B):
Where the service equipment is not installed in or on the
unit, the installation shall comply with the other provisions of
this section.
(A) only applys if (B) is not met (manufactured homes). No 30' in (B).
jxofaltrds
Inspector Mike®
- Location
- Mike P. Columbus Ohio
- Occupation
- ESI, PI, RBO
Now read (C)
(C) Rating. Mobile home service equipment shall be rated at
not less than 100 amperes at 120/240 volts,
What is missing is "and manufactured home service equipment".
No minimum service for a manufactured home. Is this what they meant? No. Is this what they said? Yes.
Where do I fill out one of them there forms?????
(C) Rating. Mobile home service equipment shall be rated at
not less than 100 amperes at 120/240 volts,
What is missing is "and manufactured home service equipment".
No minimum service for a manufactured home. Is this what they meant? No. Is this what they said? Yes.
Where do I fill out one of them there forms?????
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