Emergency TIA needed ASAP for raintight EMT fittings

The only code violation stems from using the fitting in a manner that violates its *instructions*.
Would like to add that those instructions also include limitations enumerated within the listing standard. E.g. the part of UL 514(B) that says, to paraphase, that a fitting with non-standard male threads shall be supplied with a locknut and shall only be used to connect to a sheet metal enclosure.

Cheers, Wayne
 
Would like to add that those instructions also include limitations enumerated within the listing standard. E.g. the part of UL 514(B) that says, to paraphase, that a fitting with non-standard male threads shall be supplied with a locknut and shall only be used to connect to a sheet metal enclosure.

Cheers, Wayne
I'm still going to make the case that isn't clearly what is meant by the code when it says "instructions included in the listing". The listing is not the standard. If the manufacturers are failing to provide instructions they should be providing then that's between them and the NRTL, and doesn't create a code violation by the installer.
 
I’m not sure why the manufacturers cannot make equipment and fittings with compatible threads and make them a standard and universally available. No reason for all the mismatched threads and cobbling of parts.
But in a sense they probably do.
We as electricians just go dig in the back of the service van , rummage through, and voila. And hope no one notices.
 
I mean how many years ago did they go for the gaskets on the RT fittings? 10-15 years??

Before that compression fittings had no gaskets and I don't recall many issues.

I'd rather have a fitting that I can tighten than the crappy gasket
Years ago I worked at two places that had nightly high pressure wash downs and always used quality Thomas & Betts rain tight fitting on EMT conduit with no major water intrusion problems. We tried to avoid entering top of NEMA 4 boxes and start stop stations. I never trust any die cast flimsy fittings. Appears somebody dropped the ball when they transitioned to so called rain tight gathered fittings. Retired but still have a collection of T&B 1/2 to 1"" EMT rain tight fittings that I will use when I get an EV vehicle.
 
I’m not sure why the manufacturers cannot make equipment and fittings with compatible threads and make them a standard and universally available. No reason for all the mismatched threads and cobbling of parts.
But in a sense they probably do.
We as electricians just go dig in the back of the service van , rummage through, and voila. And hope no one notices.
Appears the NEC is more concerned with changing very common names used last 100 years to more confusing terms like Nuetral to grounded conductor, light fixture to luminare and doing metric crap like after guessing over 75 years raised the maximum height to top of a circuit breaker or safety switch handle from 6'6" to two meters ( 6'7" ). Wonder if there even one electrical supply house that you can order say 2" EMT in the metric size the NEC proudly displays.Could be wrong but I thought for one code cycle back in the late 1970's or early 80's the NEC reinvented the wheel when the changed names of 1/0 to 4/0 or maybe 250 MCM to another term. Luckily the supply houses never used they short lived name. Old school and if its not broke why mess with it.
 
Nuetral to grounded conductor
The code has to use grounded conductors as not all grounded conductors are neutrals. It does have rules specific to neutrals.
maybe 250 MCM to another term
It has been kcmil for sizes over 4/0 for a very long time.

As far as the metric, and trade size BS, I have no use for it. However, that part was not done by the code making panels...it was done by the NFPA itself. There are a lot of changes that are outside the purview of the code making panels...for example the complete reorganization of the code in the 2029 ....many more chapters, and very few code rules in the same location that they are in now.
 
Since NFPA has a lock on the Code Book they figure they can do whatever they want with it
They can, it is their publication. However that does not apply to the actual code rules. The code is an ANSI standard, and ANSI has rules that must be complied with when an ANSI consensus standard is created or revised.

Some of the changes, like the metric stuff, was intended to make it more of an international code, but our wiring methods vs those in Europe, make that pretty much impossible,
 
I think I mentioned this earlier, but I like the IDEA of things being listed, to prevent junk on the market and us having to install it, but that doesn't really seem to be the result. The RT fittings, particularly the ones with the rubber gasket.......I guess there is no test that the locknut be tightened enough to dig thru the paint. Obviously no one at UL has ever installed one. Seems like that should be a test. Along similar lines frequently have fittings where the locknut "skips out" and can't be thoroughly tightened. Recently I also complained about the sharp edges on PVC LB's. Just seems like these people are a bit clueless on some of this stuff and not really sure what we are accomplishing with listing.
Another factor that happens is at the MFG side. Original product was designed and submitted for testing and UL listing. Later after receipt of their approved status based on what the mfg. said it would do, product costs changed so substitute inferior materials, and QC changed or totally absent, and this is what we get.

AFA everyone already installs these on to hub or threaded fittings, why would the mfg. bother with the cost of expanding the listing and testing of their product if everyone is already using it in a way that was not listed for?

AFA suppliers not having properly listed products available on the shelves, why would they if everyone is just buying the readily available product even is its not listed for the use. See it all the time even from electrical supply houses. don't stock #1 AL feeder cable that would be required for a 100A subpanel, and then not even stock a 90A breaker, everyone just buys the #2 and a 100A breaker for the feeder.
 
Later after receipt of their approved status based on what the mfg. said it would do, product costs changed so substitute inferior materials, and QC changed or totally absent, and this is what we get.
The listing lab is supposed to do follow up random testing to verify those things don't happen.
 
What cycle of testing/inspection of product do they run on? Do they go to random suppliers and buy off shelf to test or from what the MFG. sends them?
With UL, it is unannounced factory inspections where they pull product off the manufacturing line. Not sure about the other listing agencies.
 
What cycle of testing/inspection of product do they run on? Do they go to random suppliers and buy off shelf to test or from what the MFG. sends them?
Appears they had Stevie Wonder test & approve the thousands of 14-50 R EV receptacles that have burnt up in less then a year or two of use.
 
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