2020 NEC Equipment Ground for Ranges and Dryers Receptacle Replacement (Need Clarification)

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Receptacle.

A contact device installed at the outlet for the connection of an attachment plug, or for the direct connection of electrical utilization equipment designed to mate with the corresponding contact device. A single receptacle is a single contact device with no other contact device on the same yoke or strap. A multiple receptacle is two or more contact devices on the same yoke or strap. (CMP-18)

Outlet
A point on the wiring system at which current is taken to supply utilization equipment. (CMP-1)The term outlet is frequently misused to refer to receptacles. Although receptacle outlets are outlets, not all outlets are receptacle outlets. Other common examples of outlets include appliance outlets, lighting outlets, and smoke alarm outlets.

These are the definitions from the 2020 code book. 250.140 and 250.134 specifically use outlet not receptacle. 250.138 is not satisfied by 250.140. 250.140 exception does not declare that the grounded conductor is now an EGC, it only states that it is allowed to be bonded to the non current carrying metal parts.

250.138 has no exception to the EGC
250.134 does reference the 250.140, but only outlet not receptacle.
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
The use of a 3 wire circuit for ranges and dryers was never permitted for circuits that originated at a sub panel. That was only permitted where teh circuit originated at the service equipment.
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I think you misunderstood, all 220 circuits must originate at service panel , only 110 circuits are allowed to sub-panels to avoid differences in potential in the event of a sub-panel feeder conductor failure.
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
The use of a 3 wire circuit for ranges and dryers was never permitted for circuits that originated at a sub panel. That was only permitted where the circuit originated at the service equipment.
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Are you sure? Because 250.140 Exception should be worded differently if that's true.

The way 250.140 Exception is worded it sounds like the correct statement would be about 3 wire circuits with an uninsulated but covered neutral.

Cheers, Wayne
 
Patpowers said:
Exactly, but every outlet is not a receptacle. . . . Outlet is allowed, but receptacle is not allowed.
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Since every receptacle is an outlet, and it is allowed for outlets, it is allowed for receptacles.

You seem to be reading the word "outlet" as "non-receptacle outlet". That's not what it says.

Patpowers said:
But a cord and plug would negate a receptacle.
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I don't know what you mean. A receptacle can only be used with a plug. The outlet is still the receptacle, the cord and plug are part of the utilization equipment.

Cheers, Wayne
 
I posted article 100 definition above for outlet and receptacle above.


Receptacle.

A contact device installed at the outlet for the connection of an attachment plug, or for the direct connection of electrical utilization equipment designed to mate with the corresponding contact device. A single receptacle is a single contact device with no other contact device on the same yoke or strap. A multiple receptacle is two or more contact devices on the same yoke or strap. (CMP-18)

Outlet
A point on the wiring system at which current is taken to supply utilization equipment. (CMP-1)The term outlet is frequently misused to refer to receptacles. Although receptacle outlets are outlets, not all outlets are receptacle outlets. Other common examples of outlets include appliance outlets, lighting outlets, and smoke alarm outlets.
 
And dont forget
Code: 
Receptacle Outlet. An outlet where one or more receptacles
are installed. (CMP-18)
 
tortuga said:
OK, well we use the 250.130(C) method;
Typically I fish a #10 to apprentice under the house or in basement and they hit the water pipe bond.
or on exterior wall I use a foot long 1/4" or so drill bit and run it outside.
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I use this method often and my AHJ approves it with no problem. In some sticky situations it becomes complicated to do it. This is my number one go to solution.
 
wwhitney said:
Are you sure? Because 250.140 Exception should be worded differently if that's true.

The way 250.140 Exception is worded it sounds like the correct statement would be about 3 wire circuits with an uninsulated but covered neutral.

Cheers, Wayne
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I will have to dig out an old code book to check.
 
Patpowers said:
I posted article 100 definition above for outlet and receptacle above.


Receptacle.

A contact device installed at the outlet for the connection of an attachment plug, or for the direct connection of electrical utilization equipment designed to mate with the corresponding contact device. A single receptacle is a single contact device with no other contact device on the same yoke or strap. A multiple receptacle is two or more contact devices on the same yoke or strap. (CMP-18)

Outlet
A point on the wiring system at which current is taken to supply utilization equipment. (CMP-1)The term outlet is frequently misused to refer to receptacles. Although receptacle outlets are outlets, not all outlets are receptacle outlets. Other common examples of outlets include appliance outlets, lighting outlets, and smoke alarm outlets.
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Seems the definition of receptacle says there is an outlet there.

Remember the appliance itself if not part of the premises wiring, that ends at the receptacle.
 
kwired said:
Seems the definition of receptacle says there is an outlet there.

Remember the appliance itself if not part of the premises wiring, that ends at the receptacle.
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That is what I’m saying, an outlet is allowed, but cord and plug isn’t. The code specifically says cord and plug requires egc with no exception, but fixed wiring don’t if 250.140 is met. 250.134 and 250.138. An outlet doesn’t have to be a receptacle, but once your but a receptacle on the outlet there is no exception to the egc in 2020. It seems to specifically say that in those three articles of the 2020 nec
 
wwhitney said:
250.140 Exception applies to both hardwired and cord and plug connections. There is no language there that distinguishes between the two. Your AHJ is mistaken.

Cheers, Wayne
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I see your logic, but it is not worded that way, 250.140 exception states outlet. My AHJ says an outlet with a receptacle has to be identified in the nec as a receptacle.
 
Patpowers said:
I see your logic, but it is not worded that way, 250.140 exception states outlet. My AHJ says an outlet with a receptacle has to be identified in the nec as a receptacle.
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He also says there wouldn’t be a reference in 250.140 to 250.134 and 250.138 if an outlet and receptacle outlet was the same thing.
 
wwhitney said:
250.140 Exception applies to both hardwired and cord and plug connections. There is no language there that distinguishes between the two. Your AHJ is mistaken.

Cheers, Wayne
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It mentions "outlet and junction boxes" but does not contain the word "receptacle" or "cord and plug". But I think "outlet box" should mean a box containing a receptacle. If you have a receptacle you pretty much need the cord and plug to utilize it (properly).
 
He says that if there was an intention to allow cord and plug 250.140 would have used the words outlet, receptacle outlets, and junction boxes.

this is the article violation I received:

250.138 Cord-and-Plug-Connected Equipment.

Non–current-carrying metal parts of cord-and-plug-connected equipment, if required to be connected to an equipment grounding conductor, shall be connected by one of the methods in 250.138(A) or (B).
(A) By Means of an Equipment Grounding Conductor.



By means of an equipment grounding conductor run with the power supply conductors in a cable assembly or flexible cord properly terminated in a grounding-type attachment plug with one fixed grounding contact.
Exception:
The grounding contacting pole of grounding-type plug-in ground-fault circuit interrupters shall be permitted to be of the movable, self-restoring type on circuits operating at not over 150 volts between any two conductors or over 150 volts between any conductor and ground.

(B) By Means of a Separate Flexible Wire or Strap.



By means of a separate flexible wire or strap, insulated or bare, connected to an equipment grounding conductor, and protected as well as practicable against physical damage, where part of equipment.

250.140 references 250.138 for the purposes of cord and plug which would require a receptacle outlet. There are no EGC exceptions for receptacle outlets.

You are allowed an outlet according to 250.140, and 250.134 states that you may have it fixed or hard-wired which will use an outlet but not a receptacle. Once you put a receptacle on the outlet for cord and plug you must reference 250.138 for the receptacle. There’s no EGC exception in that article. 250.140 only states outlet and junction boxes. If it was the intention of the code to allow a receptacle, 250.140 would have specifically used the words outlet, receptacle outlets and junction boxes.

please refer to your NEC 2020 Code and find me a specific article that conflicts this.
 
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