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More straight to the point, if the code requires GFCI protection for your electric vehicle charger you can't get away from it by saying there is no outlet.
210.8(F) GFCI Protection
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All items covered by art 440 have a hermetic refrigerant compressor in them. No such compressor, then something between 422 and 427 will likely cover it if it is "HVAC" equipment in nature.
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So by definition individual branch circuit should not exist because it does not mention an outlet point?
Bill Snyder
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Bill Snyder
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Ryan Jackson does not agree with that anymore!
wwhitney
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We covered that already. Just because you are obsessed with your misinterpretation of "outlet" doesn't mean that every NEC definition that could mention an outlet has to mention it.
Since you're just repeating the same wrong arguments without actually engaging or responding to the specifics of what we're saying, then I'd say we're done here.
Cheers, Wayne
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Yes, basically, the place where the gods let the electrons out to the equipment.
If the heaters are controlled by a sub panel with branch circuit protection, fed from the main dist. panel with single phase power no neutral, how would you be able to use GFCI protection without the neutral wire? The control can also be built with fuses and how would you get away with not having gfci protection with fuses? If the heater control panel requires a feed of 50 amps or less, it could be feed with a GFCI breaker in the main panel. But if it is over 50 amps then we cant feed with as GFCI device from the main panel.
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That is 100% false. I just spoke to him the other day on this issue.
The control panel for the heaters, does not have a neutral as there are no components inside that require a neutral
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MadElec75
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Are you saying then that a neutral wire needs to be feed to the supplemental (heater control) panel to allow for GFCI breakers to be used in the branch circuits or that the supplemental panel can be protected from the source panel?
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That the GFCI protection can be in the source panel.
Bill Snyder
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Is an A/C condenser an outdoor outlet?
No, an A/C (air conditioning) condenser is not an outdoor outlet. An A/C condenser is a unit that is typically installed outside of a building and is responsible for releasing the heat that is absorbed by the refrigerant in the air conditioning system. It is an integral part of the air conditioning system and does not provide any electrical outlets.
An outdoor outlet, on the other hand, is an electrical outlet that is installed outside of a building, usually for the purpose of providing power to devices such as lawn mowers, outdoor lights, or other electrical equipment. It is not part of the air conditioning system and is typically installed separately from the A/C condenser.
Bill Snyder
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Is an electrical disconnect an outdoor outlet?
No, an electrical disconnect and an outdoor outlet are two different things.
An electrical disconnect is a switch that is used to disconnect the electrical power supply to a building or a specific circuit within a building. It is typically installed indoors and is used for maintenance or emergency purposes to turn off the power to a building or specific equipment.
An outdoor outlet, on the other hand, is a type of electrical outlet that is specifically designed to be used outside. It is typically installed on the exterior of a building and can be used to power outdoor equipment such as lawnmowers, string trimmers, and electric grills.
While an electrical disconnect can be located outdoors, it is not considered an outdoor outlet. The term "outdoor outlet" usually refers specifically to electrical outlets that are designed for outdoor use and are weatherproof to protect against moisture and other environmental factors.
wwhitney
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Your answer would be correct if you replace the word "outlet" with the words "receptacle outlet" everywhere.
It is incorrect under the NEC definitions; it's a common mistake to think the NEC means "receptacle" when it uses the word "outlet."
I kind of think this thread should be closed given the incessant intransigence.
Cheers, Wayne
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It has run its course. Thread closed. Don't forget to set your clocks ahead.
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