Here in upstate NY, for underground service fed from a pole, SOP is to dig the trench up to the pole, put 10 feet of conduit on the pole, and leave enough conductor to get to the transformer. POCO finishes the conduit or uses U-guard the rest of the way up. I would say the service point is at the connection to the transformer. ITs my wire, I supplied it. Ill get a ladder and take it down if I Want.
How so? I dont see ownership in the definition.Then its not a service lateral. Seems quite clear to me looking at the NEC definition of service lateral and service point that they are utility owned conductors.
"facilities of the serving utility" is very clearly utility owned equipment. I dont know what else to say beyond that!
I am not seeing that in my book, are you looking at 'Not Covered' 90.2(D)(5)(a) in the 2023 NEC or 90.2(B)(5)(a) in the 2020 and prior NEC's?
That phrase is in the definition of "service point". So with the two definitions taken together, service laterals are facilities of the serving utility.
I didn't know "service lateral" was such a new term
Service Point was added to Article 100 in the 1993 edition. The terms "service conductors, overhead" and "service conductors, underground" were in the code long before that. The oldest code I have is the 73 and those terms are in that edition.
Service lateral was added in the 1956 Edition, before that they referred to it as 'street mains'.
(1)-(6) Certainly, these are logical consequences of the definitions.
Points 5 and 6 refer to the definition of "Service-Entrance Conductors, Underground System" and not the definition of "Service Conductors, Underground". As per the informational note, the two points described in points 5 and 6 may coincide, in which case the install has no "Service-Entrance Conductors, Underground System."
Is the utility transformer accessible by the customer or is it under the exclusive control of an electric utility?
If I rent a car I have the right of exclusive control of the car per my agreement with the rental agency. The rental company still owns it, exclusive control can be surely legally transferred without transferring ownership. If I damage the car I need to fix it, I cant sell the car, and the rental agent cant take possession of the car and go get groceries while I am using it.
That does not matter....it is the service point and the conductors connected to the service point are service conductors under the control of the NEC.
My comment only says that the underground service conductors can connect to points other than those specified in post 110.
I am just curious if you can clarify in your state of Illinois this transformer you speak of that contains inside it a NEC service point,
No thats part of the premises wiring.
In Wisconsin, with all 5 primary POCOs, it is common for services over 800A to be fed from a utility provided dedicated padmount transformer. The padmount transformer is typically locked by the utility, but it is not uncommon for large transformer to only have their primary compartment locked.
I would say no, you don't. Your car rental agreement is going to include a host of stipulations prohibiting you from doing certain things with the car. For example, in the US by default often it prohibits driving into Mexico or Canada. You do not have exclusive control, the car rental agency retains some control over how the car is to be used.
