AFCI's have they proven themselves?

[brother]

Thanks for the input. I have yet to see the data that shows definitively that AFCI s have stopped or reduce fires. That's what the debate has been about recently in other jurisdictions. Inflation and rising housing prices helped bring it to the forefront again.

The cost of an afci 20 amp single pole vs just a basic single pole is almost 10 times more. Saw it at home depot $65 afci vs $7.85 cents normal breaker.

One guy told me hes adding another circuit to his house and he was not paying extra for an afci. All the rest of breakers are old normal breakers. Lol

It would be interesting to see if the money crisis and inflation causes a change. We also have to remember that some rooms , bathrooms, etc do not have afci required and it has been just fine.

 

[hbiss]

We also have to remember that some rooms , bathrooms, etc do not have afci required and it has been just fine.

Entire houses do not have AFCI's and have been fine. Show me one instance where an AFCI has prevented a fire.

-Hal

 

[winnie]

IMHO we are rehashing old gripes (which I happen to agree with).

But I'd be interested in hard data one way or the other

 

[hbiss]

IMHO we are rehashing old gripes (which I happen to agree with).

Sometimes it makes sense to bring them up again when somebody asks. When we keep repeating the story over and over eventually the news gets out. New people visit us every day.

-Hal

 

[ramsy]

I don't need no stinkin AFCI breakers!

Yes, Colorado requires them with no amendments.

 

[ramsy]

AFCIs are junk. ..It's borderline criminal what was done to force them on the public.

Do you refuse AFCI's where required in Colorado?

 

[ramsy]

However, I will never install one in my panel.

Even if new circuits are installed at the panel?

 

[LarryFine]

Sometimes it makes sense to bring them up again when somebody asks. When we keep repeating the story over and over eventually the news gets out. New people visit us every day.

Does Mr. Holt have an opinion on the matter?

 

[ramsy]

those who rip em out have just taken responsibility

There are a few legal terms for that:
1) Joint and several liability
2) Willful negligence with un-insurable construction defect
3) Fraudulent Transfer on Disclosure Statement at real-estate sales

 

[ActionDave]

Does Mr. Holt have an opinion on the matter?

Mike was anti AFCI for a while and then changed his position to pro sometime around 2015 I think.

 

[hbiss]

Mike was anti AFCI for a while and then changed his position to pro sometime around 2015 I think.

Probably because he's a leader in the industry and it wouldn't look good for him to not agree with everything the NEC preaches.

-Hal

 

[ramsy]

has the afci really proven itself over the years?

AFCI's have proven that builders associations will lobby against hiring skilled electricians.

State energy code technology suffers a similar fate, along with enforcement difficulties.

 

[hbiss]

AFCI's have proven that builders associations will lobby against hiring skilled electricians.

Care to explain that? Are you saying that builder's associations think AFCIs will protect them from unskilled work?

-Hal

 

[ramsy]

Care to explain that?

Regulation or mandate for labor skills, for AFCI or Energy Controls, causes amendment lobbies, or political backlash.

 

[ActionDave]

Do you refuse AFCI's where required in Colorado?

The only thing I do with AFCIs is tell the truth about the fraud that they are. If I had my way they would all be placed in refuse containers.

 

[ActionDave]

Regulation or mandate for labor skills, for AFCI or Energy Controls, causes amendment lobbies, or political backlash.

The point you are trying to make would be easier to understand if what you said made any sense.

 

[rc/retired]

Yes, Colorado requires them with no amendments.

I know. I will never install one in my panel.

Ron

 

[rc/retired]

Even if new circuits are installed at the panel?

Even if I install new circuits in my house.

Ron

 

[ramsy]

The only thing I do with AFCIs is tell the truth about the fraud that they are. If I had my way they would all be placed in refuse containers.

Do you install AFCI's were required, or not?

 

[ramsy]

The point you are trying to make would be easier to understand if what you said made any sense.

It makes perfect sense that mandating electrical skills is a political issue for unskilled-labor shops.