zog
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- Charlotte, NC
If these worked, they would say Eaton, GE, and/or Siemens on the box.
OK, I did the calc slightly differently to check again
The claim is made I can save 10% on my electric bill or save $15 off $150 monthly.
At $ .12 / kWH, that backs out to .1736 kw continuously or .72 amps at 240 volt. The claim is made that cutting my VAR flow will cut what I am being billed for, .1736 kw converted to heat by I2R loss in the building wiring.
173.6 watts = I2R. plugging in .72 for amps reveals the circuit resistance is 334 ohms. Per NEC 9, 9 yada yada, 12 gauge wire is 2 ohms per 1k ft. I would need 167,000 ft of #12 cu with .72 amps on it to be billed $15.
The claimed savings looks to be off by, in the range of, three orders of magnitude. My circuit length is in the range of 70 to 170 ft and claimed savings could be in the range of .01 % of my bill.
Some of the divisions of one of those companies spent untold 100s of thousands of dollars on similar equipment for their plants only to find out there was no pay back. These facilities all had power factor correction at the service equipment, so there was no issue with utility penalties for poor power factor. One of the devices was a power optimizer that said:If these worked, they would say Eaton, GE, and/or Siemens on the box.
Good sales people bypassed the technical experts of the company and got the plant managers to buy in to this stuff.This chip utilizes specific wavelengths of infrared light to stabilize the vibration state of "spinning" electrons. Stabilizing the electrons, which form electric current actually reduces the heat-emitting and power-robbing collisions that normally occur as the electric current moves from the source to the desired load. Reducing these collisions creates a more efficient electric current.
Good find.Could very well be that this is the manufacturer.
I actually called them trying to get a distributors name in the Fort Myers area. The guy had a difficult time dealing with my request. He said he didn't normally handle that and the best he could do was a couple of numbers for Stuart Fl. One was KVAR international.
I did confirm, that as their website says, they hold the patent for these devices and they make them right in Daytona, FL.
http://www.kvar.com/1000/home
Happy hunting.
Could very well be that this is the manufacturer.
I actually called them trying to get a distributors name in the Fort Myers area. The guy had a difficult time dealing with my request. He said he didn't normally handle that and the best he could do was a couple of numbers for Stuart Fl. One was KVAR international.
I did confirm, that as their website says, they hold the patent for these devices and they make them right in Daytona, FL.
http://www.kvar.com/1000/home
Happy hunting.
Interesting.This looks like it may be the patent:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...50&s1=5440442.PN.&OS=PN/5440442&RS=PN/5440442
I did confirm, that as their website says, they hold the patent for these devices and they make them right in Daytona, FL.
I noticed that a couple people were doing the calc to see how much it was possible to save (assuming it actually worked) but everyone seems to be forgetting that this device costs $15.00 EVERY MONTH!!! It covers "Maintenance". Thats the worst part of the scam.
I can't see how capacitors alone could cause that distortion. There must be some active components.
I do not need an Ampilizer: Jraef sold me an E-Stop button for only $299.00 and I am positive that when I hit it, I will save electricity.
Must be supply and demand, AKA corporate greed.That dirty rat charged me $399.00; how come you got a discount????
That dirty rat charged me $399.00; how come you got a discount????
Must be supply and demand, AKA corporate greed.
Now that there is a demand, the manufacturers can jack the pricing.