Another receptacle location thread/poll

Another receptacle location thread/poll

  • Yes, the NEC does require a receptacle here

    Votes: 59 74.7%

  • No, the NEC does not require a receptacle here

    Votes: 13 16.5%

  • Good question, I am not sure

    Votes: 7 8.9%
  • Total voters
    79
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cycotcskir said:
. . . why don't you subscribe to the notion that a divider can divide a room from something else (other than something defined as a room)?
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A "divider" can do that. A "room divider" cannot. It's a three word phrase: "fixed room divider." Why should I accept the notion that one or more of those three words can be ignored? :-?
 
I understand your point on dividing, yet I can see it as a division between two different things also.
 
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charlie b said:

A "divider" can do that. A "room divider" cannot. It's a three word phrase: "fixed room divider." Why should I accept the notion that one or more of those three words can be ignored? :-?
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OK, I see where you come from on that now. I still disagree, but I just wasn't sure of your angle. Thanks for the clarification.
 
BryanMD said:
I suspect the header over the door opening and the common option of multiple and swinging doors are factors that affect this analogy.
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Well of course and I meant a sliding glass door. Now if you're smart since most doors are not more than 8', if you simply install an outlet 2' from the opening you shouldn't have any problems.:smile:
 
WOW!!! The reference wasn't to discuss Religion. It was to point out the sentence structure.

OK, The sentence talked about something potentially theologigical piercing and dividing something and something other than the original something, then gave another example of a similar division.

Much better now.

The bottom line is:
You can divide things from one another. They don't have to be divided in two.
 
steelersman said:
wrong. That only says that you must count the fixed panel, which I already knew that. What I asked is where does it say that it only counts for fixed panels in exterior walls, which is what Charlie said.

Pay attention please. :)
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(2) The space occupied by fixed panels in exterior walls,
excluding sliding panels
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This is the only place the phrase "fixed panels" is used in the NEC and it states "in exterior walls".
 
steelersman said:
wrong. That only says that you must count the fixed panel, which I already knew that. What I asked is where does it say that it only counts for fixed panels in exterior walls, which is what Charlie said.

Pay attention please. :)
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"The space occupied by fixed panels in exterior walls, excluding sliding panels"

Not sure what else you could be looking for. :confused:
 
220/221 said:
If you consider the intent of the code (to minimize cords), it must have a recep.
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If the intent were to minimize cords, then it would require receptacles every linear foot of every vertical surface. I would say, rather, that the intent is to minimize cords in areas that a typical homeowner is likely to want to place (for example) a floor lamp. I think that is why the code does not require receptacles in wall space under 2 feet wide - that's not enough room to put a floor lamp. But anyway, the intent of the code is not enforceable.
 
cycotcskir said:
Not sure what else you could be looking for. :confused:
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I would imagine that the code making panel is using the term exterior because that's where it is most often found. However don't you think that 210.52 (A) (2) (1) says that it needs to be counted as wall space?

1) Any space 600 mm (2 ft) or more in width (including
space measured around corners) and unbroken along the​
floor line by doorways, fireplaces, and similar openings
 
steelersman said:
I would imagine that the code making panel is using the term exterior because that's where it is most often found. However don't you think that 210.52 (A) (2) (1) says that it needs to be counted as wall space?

1) Any space 600 mm (2 ft) or more in width (including
space measured around corners) and unbroken along the​
floor line by doorways, fireplaces, and similar openings
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Your original question was "where does the code say that", that is what i was trying to answer.


You threw me for a loop there with that "it needs to be counted as wall space"


If the "it" you are referring to relates to the glass, then I say yes. If it refers to the fixed panel in exterior walls, then I say yes. If you are including an interior 2' fixed panel (we'll say a stained glass door border in some Ritchir Rich's house), then i would say no.

Was this what you were referring to?
 
steelersman said:
I would imagine that the code making panel is using the term exterior because that's where it is most often found. However don't you think that 210.52 (A) (2) (1) says that it needs to be counted as wall space?
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I don?t, and that may be why you and I are seeing this differently. I think the CMP anticipated that some readers might look at the exterior panel, say to themselves, ?well, that is not a wall,? and conclude that ?no wall means no 'wall space,' and that means no receptacle.? But in this case, the CMP thought a receptacle was needed. So they said that ?wall space? means (1) Certain actual walls, and (2) Certain things that are not walls but that need receptacles anyway.
 
I posted this picture, when I found it looking for another picture in my files.
I thought it would be fun to see some response to this situation.

I did not think it would become an english class question.

Even though I posted this thread, following it is difficult at best. Way too much thought about a receptacle location. If this happens in the field, we would never finish wiring some buildings. I cannot imagine the discussion on some other pictures I could post. :grin:
 
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