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ryan_618 said:
I find it interesting that the majority here has bought the plastic inserts, yet many people here still complain about TR devices. I truly don't understand.


I understand, It's a bunch of electricians. :rolleyes:

I have given up trying to find any logic in this bunch.

Wait I found some.....

micromind said:
3 kids here, no safety inserts at all. No bike helmets, very little child safety seat usage, very little seat belt use, and they're all still alive!!!

I feel that nature is the very best teacher ever. My application of this is to let nature take its course, except where death or serious injury is likely.

Here's an example; I've always used wood for heat. When any of the kids would get curious about fire, I'd explain the benefits as well as the hazards. A typical 3 year old doesn't understand logic any too well, so after I told said kid what would happen if he touched the stove while a fire was in it, I built a small fire, then simply walked away. Of course, there was a high-pitched shriek, and a kid running to mommy, clutching his hand.

That only happened once. Two things were accomplished with this, first; don't touch the stove when its hot. Secondly, and even more importantly, if mom and dad say to keep your mitts off of something, and you choose to disobey, bad things will happen.

When I explained what would happen if they stuck something into an outlet, they remembered the stove experience, and took dads warning very seriously.

With all the safety rules and devices there are today, no one ever learns first hand how to listen and understand, (and what happens if you don't), and much worse, no one ever learns how to think. We're not even allowed to teach, (unless we're licensed to do so, of course!). If child protective services would have witnessed the above hot stove example, I'd still be in jail. All that is taught is blind obedience to rules and regulations without question.

And we wonder why we're raising a generation of idiots.



Nope none there. My bad.


Umm, I don't, did you read what you wrote?


That posting is just "mindbottling" ;) I actually had to call in the Mrs. to read it. She did not have kind words.....
 
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Ryan,
I find it interesting that the majority here has bought the plastic inserts, yet many people here still complain about TR devices. I truly don't understand.
I do...it is the idea of government intrusion on our lives ... taking away all personal responsibility.
Don
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
it is the idea of government intrusion on our lives ... taking away all personal responsibility.
Don

How is this any different then the NEC requiring plates on devices?

There goes your choice to go plate less. :confused:
 
Bob,
There has to be some limits somewhere. I don't know where the line should be and I don't have near as much problem with the TR rule as with the AFCI rule...only because I have reasonable cause to believe that the TR device will do what they say it will. I don't have that confidence in the AFCI.
Don
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
Bob,
There has to be some limits somewhere. I don't know where the line should be and I don't have near as much problem with the TR rule as with the AFCI rule...only because I have reasonable cause to believe that the TR device will do what they say it will. I don't have that confidence in the AFCI.
Don


Well said. too much government intrusion. there has to be a line somewhere.
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
Bob,
There has to be some limits somewhere. I don't know where the line should be and I don't have near as much problem with the TR rule as with the AFCI rule...only because I have reasonable cause to believe that the TR device will do what they say it will. I don't have that confidence in the AFCI.
Don


Well said. too much government intrusion. there has to be a line somewhere!! why cant some people this when its plan as day!!
 
According to U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) data, approximately 2,400 children are injured in incidents related to electrical receptacles each year. In response to these statistics the 2008 National Electrical Code? (NEC) will include a new requirement for residential receptacles to be Tamper-Resistant.


From an NFPA REPORT. http://www.nfpa.org/itemDetail.asp?...esistant electrical receptacles&cookie_test=1

Why require tamper-resistant electrical receptacles?
Each year, approximately 2,400 children suffer severe shock and burns when they stick items into the slots of electrical receptacles. It is estimated that there are six to 12 child fatalities a year related to this.
 
electricmanscott said:
Have you read the NEC ever? The whole thing is based on removal of your choice.

No. Never even heard of it! I passed 4 years of school and the journeyman test without ever reading the NEC!</sarcasm>
 
ryan_618 said:
How many people here THAT HAVE CHILDREN hav ever bought the plastic inserts that go into the receptacles to protect children?

I have four kids and only put them in their rooms. I did watch my toddler stick a key in the hot side of an outlet once. He touched the trim plate screw with the same hand he had the keys in, dropped the keys and never did it again. Kinda of like the hot stove thing.
 
jrannis said:
I did watch my toddler stick a key in the hot side of an outlet once. He touched the trim plate screw with the same hand he had the keys in, dropped the keys and never did it again.

Boy the joke would have really been on him had he been hurt or killed. :roll:
 
Here is something that was written over 2,000 years ago.

Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers.

This was written by a man named Socrates, who most people would agree was above average in the "smarts" department. When I read a post like: "no wonder we are raising a generation of idiots", it makes me laugh. Your parents generation said the same thing about you... I'll bet they also said knob and tube is the safest thing ever, and that curing polio was a bad thing, since people with polio deserve to be crippled, right?
 
I wasn't aware of those plastic inserts when my children were young.

I wasn't aware of those plastic inserts when my children were young.

4 kids, 2 houses no safety devices. First grandchild everything in house child proofed. When kids started driving, they were told "if I catch you driving or riding in a car without your seatbelt properly strapped on, you will not be driving any of our cars." I never did catch them without using their seatbelts.

It is too bad you have to have those pesky kids to be able to have grandchildren.:grin:
 
Bought and installed them.

Not sure how much good they would have done, since the kids could still unplug the lamp in the corner, and stick a nail in that socket.

But then again, we also tried to limit our young kids access to nails and other sharp, pointed, metal objects.

Steve
 
My houses have always had caps or guards.

The problem starts when they become adults. My college-age daughter used a pair of scissors to pry a plug out of an outlet in her dorm room. This did several things:

-the scissors were welded shut, creating a great family memento.
-the incident exposed a breaker coordination issue in her dorm...the panel main tripped instead of the 20A branch breaker.

All in all, very embarassing for her dad...she shoulda known better, dang it!

BTW, the toggle-bolted outlet pic I posted over the weekend was being replaced because a toddler shoved a key-ring in...arced to the plate screw. I am told there were no injuries...
 
I don't have kids but if I did, I would have them. I was a kid once and yes the first time I ever got shocked was monkeying around with a receptacle.:roll:
 
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