Banned panels and breakers

[acrwc10]

They would be better served to state, No electrical over current protection installed or manufactured be for 1980.

 

[hillbilly1]

They are probably trying to force an update in the wiring regardless of manufacturer.

 

[jim dungar]

The only Square D I’ve seen problems with were fusible switches. I can’t remember if it was the QMB, or which models it was. But it was mainly due to lack of maintenance and operation. The grease would dry up, and sometimes the blades would not open.

That probably would have been their Bolt-Loc line of bolted pressure switches. When the grease 'froze up' you couldn't open it even with a crowbar. Yearly opening and closing was recommended.

 

[hillbilly1]

That probably would have been their Bolt-Loc line of bolted pressure switches. When the grease 'froze up' you couldn't open it even with a crowbar. Yearly opening and closing was recommended.

Yeah, that was it, it’s been a long time since I worked on one. I was in Florida after a hurricane, and couldn’t hook up a generator on a Home Depot because the main switch wouldn’t open.

 

[jim dungar]

Yeah, that was it, it’s been a long time since I worked on one. I was in Florida after a hurricane, and couldn’t hook up a generator on a Home Depot because the main switch wouldn’t open.

Yeah. We can't have a short planned outage, but we don't mind an extended unplanned one.

 

[LarryFine]

Yeah. We can't have a short planned outage, but we don't mind an extended unplanned one.

 

[mtnelect]

The insurance companies make profit by denying claims and HOA board of directors are layman that are clueless. I stopped contracting with them years ago. Also, they have deep pockets and can make it very difficult for you if you cross them.

 

[gene6]

Insurance company knows nothing.

There is a data recovery and document scanning facility here that takes all kinds of old data and imports it into digital form. They have old vintage reel to reel tape drives and very old computer floppy drives, all kinds of video tape / film etc can be digitized, and truckloads of stuff go in and out of this facility enough that they needed a forklift and charger which I wired.
I asked what government agency it was for and they laughed and said the government could never afford this, its all for insurance companies, they are training a "Machine leaning model" to forecast what kinds of accidents will happen in the future and what buildings to insure. The are importing all kinds of old building records, accident records, medical claims, product records its enormous the data that they are collecting.
They can input an address and it will spit out a list of things not to insure, electrical, roofing, mechanical, plumbing etc.
It can track things like the builder of the building or the company's that pulled permits on that address.
The companies purchase any records they can get and feed them into the "AI"
So id say the insurance companies might know more than nothing.

 

[jaggedben]

There is a data recovery and document scanning facility here that takes all kinds of old data and imports it into digital form. They have old vintage reel to reel tape drives and very old computer floppy drives, all kinds of video tape / film etc can be digitized, and truckloads of stuff go in and out of this facility enough that they needed a forklift and charger which I wired.
I asked what government agency it was for and they laughed and said the government could never afford this, its all for insurance companies, they are training a "Machine leaning model" to forecast what kinds of accidents will happen in the future and what buildings to insure. The are importing all kinds of old building records, accident records, medical claims, product records its enormous the data that they are collecting.
They can input an address and it will spit out a list of things not to insure, electrical, roofing, mechanical, plumbing etc.
It can track things like the builder of the building or the company's that pulled permits on that address.
The companies purchase any records they can get and feed them into the "AI"
So id say the insurance companies might know more than nothing.

Proof is in the pudding. Look how it turned out for the OPs HOA. AI still isn't I as far as I've seen.

 

[PaulMmn]

Mod note: let's not bash any particular state.

May we bash all of them???? [ducking]

 

[sparky1118]

I know Squsre D had a recall a few years back on a certain type of panel. I wonder if that’s why.


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[sparky1118]

Schneider Electric™ Recalls 1.4 Million Electrical Panels Due to Thermal Burn and Fire Hazards

Schneider Electric is directly contacting all known retailers, distributors, homeowners, and any other individuals that purchased or installed the recalled product. All purchasers and installers should immediately contact Schneider Electric to arrange to have the recalled load centers inspected...

www.cpsc.gov

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[TheCats]

Schneider Electric™ Recalls 1.4 Million Electrical Panels Due to Thermal Burn and Fire Hazards

Schneider Electric is directly contacting all known retailers, distributors, homeowners, and any other individuals that purchased or installed the recalled product. All purchasers and installers should immediately contact Schneider Electric to arrange to have the recalled load centers inspected...

www.cpsc.gov

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Quick summary to avoid everyone needing to follow the link: Plug-on-neutral only, manufactured December 2019 through March 2022.

Unrelated: I've seen Challenger branded panels with no Challenger breakers. The old recall might explain that. It's cheaper to replace all of the breakers than repeatedly explain and document that they aren't a hazard.

 

[mtnelect]

Push Matic is a "Winner" ... They didn't work too well in desert climate.

 

[Eddie702]

Face it it's all Junk compared to what it used to be. Look at a residential panel.

1. A tin box
2. a main breaker
3. a couple off busbars
4 a bunch of plastic
5. a neutral bar and maybe a ground bar.

I always thought the QO was better quality but maybe not.

 

[TheCats]

Face it it's all Junk compared to what it used to be. Look at a residential panel.

1. A tin box
2. a main breaker
3. a couple off busbars
4 a bunch of plastic
5. a neutral bar and maybe a ground bar.

I always thought the QO was better quality but maybe not.

I don't see a "used to be" here. There have been remarkably few changes in the past half century. All of the modernization has happened within the breaker cases.

Plug-on-neutral, motivated by enhanced breakers, is hardly an innovation. It's the bare minimum improvement.

A modern panel would have easier clamping, single point termination, solid-state power switches, configurable trip characteristics, configurable reclosing for critical circuits, reporting and diagnostics, lighted trip indication, load limiting/shedding, low- and high-voltage protection, power reporting, etc.

Even the first, single point termination, is missing. Preparing the ends of 14-2, 14-3, 12-2 and 12-3 should take a few seconds with a dedicated stripping tool, stick the ends as a group in position, and flip a lever. You shouldn't have to run ground and neutral to bus bars on opposite sides of the enclosure, then hope the obscured wire is properly under the clamp screw.

 

[Birken Vogt]

There is a data recovery and document scanning facility here that takes all kinds of old data and imports it into digital form. They have old vintage reel to reel tape drives and very old computer floppy drives, all kinds of video tape / film etc can be digitized, and truckloads of stuff go in and out of this facility enough that they needed a forklift and charger which I wired.
I asked what government agency it was for and they laughed and said the government could never afford this, its all for insurance companies, they are training a "Machine leaning model" to forecast what kinds of accidents will happen in the future and what buildings to insure. The are importing all kinds of old building records, accident records, medical claims, product records its enormous the data that they are collecting.
They can input an address and it will spit out a list of things not to insure, electrical, roofing, mechanical, plumbing etc.
It can track things like the builder of the building or the company's that pulled permits on that address.
The companies purchase any records they can get and feed them into the "AI"
So id say the insurance companies might know more than nothing.

Garbage in garbage out.

Nobody knows what is going on behind the curtain with software, AI is just a more powerful black box that gets things more definitively wrong.

Any predictive model that says you can use nothing from Square D and Siemens is quite obviously broken and nonsense.

 

[BHastings]

One of my foreman got a letter from his insurance company that they were going to cancel

 

[BHastings]

His policy because his roof was to old. He called and they told him they had a satellite photo and they could tell it needed to be replaced 5 years ago. He said send me the pic. They did and it was a 5 year old satellite photo their AI bot had pulled off the web and tagged for cancelation. He had replaced that year with a new 20 year roof post their image. He had to pull newer shots and send in for a human review to get the ruling overturned.

 

[LarryFine]

His policy because his roof was to old. He called and they told him they had a satellite photo and they could tell it needed to be replaced 5 years ago. He said send me the pic. They did and it was a 5 year old satellite photo their AI bot had pulled off the web and tagged for cancelation. He had replaced that year with a new 20 year roof post their image. He had to pull newer shots and send in for a human review to get the ruling overturned.

The exact same thing happened with me. The roof had been replaced since the pics they used.