Bathroom light fed with #14

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iwirehouses said:
My books in the van and its snowing bad, but isn't there a code that says you can tap a 20 amp circuit with 14 ga. if its under 18inches?
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I would temper Iwires "no" answer to "rare occasions", (2005) 210.19(A)4
 
iwire said:
Got any real life examples of 210.19(A)(4) in action? :)
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Yeah I do, the fixture wires that Trevor will connect to his branch circuit once he changes it to #12 , exception #2:grin:
 
Just got my book from the van (and really wet feet). It is 210.19(A)4 Exception 1 that I was thinking of. I know plenty of places where you can use less then 18 inches of wire to put a luminaire.
 
So is the consensus that you cannot use a 6' fixture whip with #18 fixture wire in it to feed a fixture?
 
iwirehouses said:
My books in the van and its snowing bad, but isn't there a code that says you can tap a 20 amp circuit with 14 ga. if its under 18inches?
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Sheesh....and here I am with my doors opened trying to cool my 80 deg house down. :cool:
 
Dennis Alwon said:
What do you make of art.410.67 (C)
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I agree that because of 410.67(C) it is permitted. Seems that some others still feel that it isn't.

This relates to the original problem with the 4' length of NM cable. Had the wiring method been a raceway, MC or AC cable then 410.67(C) would have permitted that installation as well.


410.67(C) Tap Conductors. Tap conductors of a type suitable for the temperature encountered shall be permitted to run from the luminaire (fixture) terminal connection to an outlet box placed at least 300 mm (1 ft) from the luminaire (fixture). Such tap conductors shall be in suitable raceway or Type AC or MC cable of at least 450 mm (18 in.) but not more than 1.8 m (6 ft) in length.
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georgestolz said:
When did we start building cans? :)
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Take a look at 410.64, this doesn't only apply to "can" fixtures.

410.64 General.
Luminaires (fixtures) installed in recessed cavities in walls or ceilings shall comply with 410.65 through 410.72.
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georgestolz said:
When did we start building cans? :)
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I had the impression a trouffer fluorescent (lay in) was a recessed fixture. Yes, No????

Maybe I'm stretching it but I thought that would meet this code section.

Why doesn't it??
 
Dennis Alwon said:
I had the impression a trouffer fluorescent (lay in) was a recessed fixture. Yes, No????

Maybe I'm stretching it but I thought that would meet this code section.

Why doesn't it??
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George I think that you're right. This thread has gotten so convoluted that I have confused myself. Bottom line is that a fixture whip is permitted to feed a recessed fixture. This wouldn't apply to the original installation that I had outlined. Now that this is straight in my head hopefully this thread will fade away.:D
 
Trevor-- I was not trying to imply that the nm cable you used was legal at all. I was trying to repond to you asking if you can make a whip ( I assumed for recessed fluorescents) with 18 gauge wire in it.

Yes we can put it to rest.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
Trevor-- I was not trying to imply that the nm cable you used was legal at all. I was trying to repond to you asking if you can make a whip ( I assumed for recessed fluorescents) with 18 gauge wire in it.

Yes we can put it to rest.
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Thanks Dennis. In my head I was applying one rule (fixture taps to a recessed light) with another, branch circuit conductors to a fixture. Now I have it all straight in my head.:cool:
 
Let me see if I can add to the confusion...
what if you protected the #14 wires with a 15 amp in-line fuse installed in the switch box?:D
 
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"Excuse me, can I find this SSU in decora?" :D
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
Trevor,

Sure you can...see 240.5(B)(2).
Don
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Don,

I agree, but had the feeling that some others were a little confused about applying taps to fixtures using fixture wires.
 
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