Burnt Receptacle...

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steelersman said:
a blow torch perhaps. what say you over at the busting neutrals thread?
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No, actually I detonated a .0000025 ton thermonuclear device placed in the back of the box.

It sounds like if someone posts an image with wires attached to device screws, in your mind that makes the screws the wrong way to wire a device, so you'd rather back stab.

As soon as a back-stabbed device is posted showing identical damage, you dismiss it and immediately start finding faults in the photo.

So for now, let's just say there was a plug-in heater downstream as the cause.
 
480sparky said:
No, actually I detonated a .0000025 ton thermonuclear device placed in the back of the box.

It sounds like if someone posts an image with wires attached to device screws, in your mind that makes the screws the wrong way to wire a device, so you'd rather back stab.

As soon as a back-stabbed device is posted showing identical damage, you dismiss it and immediately start finding faults in the photo.

So for now, let's just say there was a plug-in heater downstream as the cause.
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FWIW I was kidding about the photo-shop and blow torch statement. But I guess I got taken seriously. Now will you respnd to my question over at the busted neutral thread?
 
steelersman said:
so far all evidence posted is from screw terminated devices. Show me one of back-stabbed devices.
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Reread my post #107 very carefully.
If I can remember, I will start taking pictures of burnt up back wired receps that I come across on trouble calls.
Just because you have never seen one does not mean that I have never seen one.
 
It is surprising to me that in 125 post's we all tend to blame ourself (installers) for the meltdowns, back stab, loose screw/lug, MWBC neutral splice, etc. Hasn't anyone besides me ever seen a receptacle that was just a piece of crap from the factory ? the connections inside of them are just weak rivets and the jaws that engage the plug get loose over time and burn, It isn't just us, blame the manufacturers for some of the crap they are putting out, and it isn't just the inexpensive stuff that is "cheaply made" it's the top dollar stuff also. WE are human, but the machines that put this stuff together have no excuses.:D
 
acrwc10 said:
It is surprising to me that in 125 post's we all tend to blame ourself (installers) for the meltdowns, back stab, loose screw/lug, MWBC neutral splice, etc. Hasn't anyone besides me ever seen a receptacle that was just a piece of crap from the factory ? the connections inside of them are just weak rivets and the jaws that engage the plug get loose over time and burn, It isn't just us, blame the manufacturers for some of the crap they are putting out, and it isn't just the inexpensive stuff that is "cheaply made" it's the top dollar stuff also. WE are human, but the machines that put this stuff together have no excuses.:D
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But it's UL listed so it's all good :D
 
acrwc10 said:
It is surprising to me that in 125 post's we all tend to blame ourself (installers) for the meltdowns, back stab, loose screw/lug, MWBC neutral splice, etc. Hasn't anyone besides me ever seen a receptacle that was just a piece of crap from the factory ? the connections inside of them are just weak rivets and the jaws that engage the plug get loose over time and burn, It isn't just us, blame the manufacturers for some of the crap they are putting out, and it isn't just the inexpensive stuff that is "cheaply made" it's the top dollar stuff also. WE are human, but the machines that put this stuff together have no excuses.:D
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To be honest, no. Everything I've seen melted down was an installation error.
 
stickboy1375 said:
To be honest, no. Everything I've seen melted down was an installation error.
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So you admit it is all your fault.
You honor the prosecution rests.
Where do we send the bill to your house or your office?
 
The majority is due to installers. Like on back wired receps. I was told when you push that wire in you are suppose to pull back on it so it gets a bite. I went to a trouble call about a month ago, I should have taken pictures. An ungrounded 2 prong recep burnt up on the hot side. It actually started a small fire. The tennant put it out with flour. The fuse blew.
I ended up removing the metal box and installing a plastic nail on. I know, I violated code using sheetrock screws to secure the box. I pigtailed the wires and installed a new 3 prong recep and plate. The circuit had a ground wire and it was a true ground.

My point:
Anything can fail whether installation error or age.
 
aftershock said:
The majority is due to installers. Like on back wired receps. I was told when you push that wire in you are suppose to pull back on it so it gets a bite. I went to a trouble call about a month ago, I should have taken pictures. An ungrounded 2 prong recep burnt up on the hot side. It actually started a small fire. The tennant put it out with flour. The fuse blew.
I ended up removing the metal box and installing a plastic nail on. I know, I violated code using sheetrock screws to secure the box. I pigtailed the wires and installed a new 3 prong recep and plate. The circuit had a ground wire and it was a true ground.

My point:
Anything can fail whether installation error or age.
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Tennant is lucky flour is very flammable. Baking soda or salt it the only thing other then a fire extinguisher you should use in a kitchen fire.
 
I ran into a simliar situation a while back where the neutral terminal was not tightened as the pic clearly shows this. Another reason I pigtail everything. I hate when devices are used for continuity of the circuit.

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Without reading 5 pages - has anyone brought up failure of the OCP in the case of the OP with the heater down stream? How much more was on it?
 
e57 said:
Without reading 5 pages - has anyone brought up failure of the OCP in the case of the OP with the heater down stream? How much more was on it?
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What makes you think it failed? I know I can burn a house down with a 5 amp resistive load. Even if the space heater was 10 amps, the resistance at the burnt receptacle could have very well added only a few more amps.
 
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