Oh I think a lot of things matter, I just didn't vote cause I felt it won't matter or change anthing in this Forum.
I frankly watch a lot of threads come across and I might be selfish as to not point out the obvious to the originator or to the responses presented. This is one of these cases.
I frankly waited to see what others have to commutate about the subject matter first.
I've made suggestions to what I thought might enhance this forum, but they were not public, I let it go.
If you are employed by an electrical company, you have a vested interest in how profitable that company is. The more money the company makes, the more it can pay it's employees.
I work in the South, I has never been in any profit sharing of any sort at my level of employment, granted I might have been with the wrong companies. The small company's that I have worked for didn't share anything, OK a company party only cause other firms started offering them, small companies only care about the foreman, and their supervisors, that’s all I’ve ever seen, they only care that the other workers show up!
One can truly read between the lines here, of all of aspects talked about here and what go unsaid. Why should anyone state what they charge, bill, or there present pay level, its no ones business (IMO). Besides if you want to know the going rates call and ask for their service rates, I hope everyone lets there fingers do the shopping!
I do relish the heavy threads of doing business, but I don't ask for a copy of there business plan of even ask local scale questions to regional readers, this is none of my business.
Maybe its just the way I was raised, some hangover…
It might be well crazy for me to think about a business and not worry about scale rates, I have a real good idea what the true/active rates are around here, maybe I don't know exactly, but if I go, I'm going to be coming in at profitable rate!
I note who talks money and who doesn't. Those that have the money and business generally don't talk of how they bill it. If they do talk money its not rate based it problems with the money or cash flow or any other aspect of dealing with money and somewhat short or one might feel this is lacking something, yeah some exact answer, maybe. Those that don't understand business really need to get a sound foundation of business and money matters, before they get in the creek without a paddle.
If you do crappy work, and need to do it twice (or even 3 times) to get it right, then there's no raises or bonuses (or for that matter, no paycheck).
Paragraphs and books are written on this subject matter! I don’t know how to truly present all aspects of what matters other than getting a job done
The point I try to get across to any one that’s works with me is a famous line from a movie. I'll use from George C. Scott playing Patton, "I don't like to pay for the same real estate twice". Wither he said that in real life I don't know, frankly I don't care.
Its my way to state to someone that they have to pay attention, I try to instill in them a sense of self worth. I ask my co-workers to grasp the total project first and will over-view all tasks involved to get'r done and that there their particular task is part of a sum to reach an end.
If employees would look at their employment not as 'just a paycheck every Friday' and instead treat it like a long-term career, better things will happen. Too many electricians need to chuck the "Pay's-the-same" attitude and start being a bit more fiscally responsible.
I ponder that relationship of pushing people into some level of production all the time!
I often wonder how many people are truly happy with there level of production day in and day out, and have any good thoughts about this level of production based on their pay scale. I don't know why some people hang around this vocation. In most all cases they don't get to hang around with the "Right to Work" state that I work in. I know that there are people that will not work with me, and visa versa. I'm not at work for the friendship, I'm surely not at work for the hand holding. I've come to believe that in construction one learns how to read people, and pretty quickly at that.
I will work with any man / woman that will work as hard as I do, "I don't get paid to talk the job to death", Jude.
robwire said:
I think its a step in the right direction. It shouldn't be a closed door forum but you should have to be an actual contractor, not just work for one to post in it. I like to read this forum but it has really turned into a general electrical forum other then the name states. Too many people post in here that just work for someone else and lack the knowledge about contracting or are just engineers and have no clue what the game is all about. As for inspectors, they should give there input on code issues. Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.
Why so, it would just put a lot of paper work on someone desk, a whole array of work would be involved in determining who is a contractor, to qualify for this right to be in the closed door club, good luck with all that. Look at all the open aspects here, we always have 4 times the amount of guests here verses active users why should the guests get to read of "doing Business"? should we segregate only the guests not see the "doing business" section, it won't happen, What is it they say, "Forget about it"
You are exactly right
“Many people post here”, some clueless, some sharp, all types, all types of interests and all types of situations.
“Too many people post in here that just work for someone else and lack the knowledge about contracting”, Yes daily, I don’t get paid to watch the bottom line, I do get paid to protect the wire!
“…or are just engineers and have no clue what the game is all about”
I frankly think that’s a very foolish statement, I have a personal friends that are EE’s and several Architects that I’ve had long conversations with as to the nature of construction.
The sum of the conversations is their drawings represent an application, its us in the trades that bring these drawings to life. Be it with the pitfalls, headaches, or anything else you might want to imply of the drawings you have to work with, and sometimes no drawings at all. Yes there are totally bad drawing, there’s also drawings that go without a hitch. Not so much unlike here, painfully reading through things that people shouldn’t be dealing with cause they don’t understand the aspect of the job, well no not so fast there! Getting an education of what should be done, by people that have already walked through an application of electrical work, its insight gained daily and I believe is great and relished by me and others as well.
Maybe the forum is becoming mundane, is one only reading a particular forum, I don’t think so, and certainly hope not!
Knowledge is Power, I wish everyone would go boost themselves up with some.
I hope the door stays open too, Thank Goodness for the Liberty we enjoy, and for the Liberty of not having answer a thread, selfish or otherwise!
