Code compliant grounding electrode conductor?

pipe_bender said:
Where in mass do you see a GEC in a meter? I just never have seen it and it seems dumb.
On final inspection inspector checks that after the building is finished things are accessible.

Why do they check I have a 2 gang mud ring and a blank where the ufer clamp is it if its concealed in a wall?
When do they check my pull box is accessible ? final inspection
So it can be accessed.
And for final inspection I need the power on.
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Every gec/bonding jumper that connects to a rod/plate in mass ends up landing in the meter and it’s been that way long before 230.85, and 250.24(a)(1) says it can terminate anywhere on the supply side from the weatherhead to the service disconnect , and it can be accessed very easily and no finished materials are removed, it’s not welded shut
 
pipe_bender said:
Where in mass do you see a GEC in a meter? I just never have seen it and it seems dumb.
On final inspection inspector checks that after the building is finished things are accessible.

Why do they check I have a 2 gang mud ring and a blank where the ufer clamp is it if its concealed in a wall?
When do they check my pull box is accessible ? final inspection
So it can be accessed.
And for final inspection I need the power on.
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You’re from mass and you’ve never seen a gec/bonding jumper landed in the meter? Idk how especially if there’s driven rods
 
There's no reason to argue. Some places require or allow it, others prohibit it.

In my opinion, the meter is the perfect place, especially for exterior electrodes.

We're not allowed here, but I'm not sure whether it's a POCO or an AHJ issue.
 
wwhitney said:
No, as the connection in the meter is a GEC-N connection, not an N-G connection. The N-G connection is always in the service disconnect. The GEC-N connection(s) can be anywhere between the service point and the service disconnect.

Cheers, Wayne
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What no one is mentioning here is that there can be more than one GEC to N connection as long as they take place at or before the service disconnect. You can bring a ground rod in to the meter, and a CCE in to the service disconnect.
 
Strathead said:
What no one is mentioning here is that there can be more than one GEC to N connection as long as they take place at or before the service disconnect. You can bring a ground rod in to the meter, and a CCE in to the service disconnect.
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Strathead said:
What no one is mentioning here is that there can be more than one GEC to N connection as long as they take place at or before the service disconnect. You can bring a ground rod in to the meter, and a CCE in to the service disconnect.
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250.50 requires all available electrodes permitted for grounding must be bonded into the building GES, so more often then not there’s multiple gec/bonding jumpers , unless the CEE is the only available electrode permitted for grounding or a rod pipe or plate is all you can connect to , but if you have a water pipe electrode your gec connects to the water pipe and a bonding jumper connects to a rod, pipe, plate , CEE etc for your supplemental electrode
I figured that goes without saying
 
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pipe_bender said:
If it were sealed in a utility meter with these new seals they use my inspector might not see that as accessible.
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What does your inspectors say about the other conductors in the meter? Do the grounded and ungrounded conductors not need to be accessible?
 
roger said:
What does your inspectors say about the other conductors in the meter? Do the grounded and ungrounded conductors not need to be accessible?
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Case in point ! Lol
I’m well aware some utility companies don’t want a gec to terminate in the meter but as far as the inspector goes unless it’s written into the locally adopted electrical code to prohibit the gec in the meter it’s not even a discussion , it’s accessible just like the ungrounded and grounded service conductors are ,readily accessible is not a requirement
 
roger said:
What does your inspectors say about the other conductors in the meter? Do the grounded and ungrounded conductors not need to be accessible?
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I agree with Roger's argument. If all of the other conductors are required to be accessible then the GEC connection within the meter enclosure is no different. IMO the POCO should not dictate what can and cannot be connected in the meter enclosure.
 
infinity said:
I agree with Roger's argument. If all of the other conductors are required to be accessible then the GEC connection within the meter enclosure is no different. IMO the POCO should not dictate what can and cannot be connected in the meter enclosure.
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I’m in complete agreement with both you and Roger, and while I also feel poco should not be able to dictate what can and can’t be connected in the meter , I’ve heard in some jurisdictions they do but is that just a preference of the utility workers or is it written in their handbook I have no way of confirming that because that is not a thing in my area and if you want to terminate the the gec in the meter have at it
 
Jaybone812 said:
and it can be accessed very easily
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The connection has to be accessible without the customer needing to involve the power company.
roger said:
What does your inspectors say about the other conductors in the meter?
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He would say the other conductors are not GEC's 250.24(A)(1) only requires the GEC connection to the grounded service conductor to be at an accessible location.
 
pipe_bender said:
He would say the other conductors are not GEC's 250.24(A)(1) only requires the GEC connection to the grounded service conductor to be at an accessible location
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Are you saying that the NEC does not require the terminals in the meter enclosure to be accessible?
 
pipe_bender said:
The connection has to be accessible without the customer needing to involve the power company.

He would say the other conductors are not GEC's 250.24(A)(1) only requires the GEC connection to the grounded service conductor to be at an accessible location.
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So what you’re saying is you think the nec does not require service conductor terminals to be accessible then
 
pipe_bender said:
The connection has to be accessible without the customer needing to involve the power company.

He would say the other conductors are not GEC's 250.24(A)(1) only requires the GEC connection to the grounded service conductor to be at an accessible location.
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Not trying to be rude or a a hole but that is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve heard in any electrical forum
 
pipe_bender said:
Hey man no worries I am not code guru, Wayne here pointed out the section 250.24(A)(1)
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Yes that’s exactly what 250.24(A)(1) says anywhere from the load side of the service drop to the service disconnect in a accessible location , and the meter is accessible, you’re saying. The service conductor terminals aren’t required to be accessible , that’s basically saying you can conceal the termination and bury it lol
 
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