Code compliant grounding electrode conductor?

I like your humor, It is really interesting how different it is in different areas
I am not sure when or if it changed but here is the code section:
250.24(A)(1) General. The grounding electrode conductor connection
shall be made at any accessible point from the load end of the
overhead service conductors, service drop, underground service
conductors, or service lateral to, including the terminal or bus to
which the grounded service conductor is connected at the service
disconnecting means.
It says the connection has to be accessible.
 
I was joking Around my sarcasm was lacking , I’m in complete agreement with you that he’s basically saying access to our sec terminals is not required
Ah sarcasm doesn't always translate correctly through a keyboard. It's interesting because is there a section in the NEC that requires all terminals to be accessible?
 
Ah sarcasm doesn't always translate correctly through a keyboard. It's interesting because is there a section in the NEC that requires all terminals to be accessible?
Did not see one in a keyword search through 2017 NEC PDF of Articles 230, 300, 310, and 312. Article 314 requires wiring in junction boxes to be accessible, but that would not apply to a meter base, I believe.

Cheers, Wayne
 
But a POCO seal is not part of the building finish, so cutting it to gain access still counts as accessible.

Cheers, Wayne
There are many hills one can die on when arguing with an inspector. I'm all for it. A favorite past time of mine is to challenge someone's perceived authority, especially when I know they are dead wrong. But some hills just aren't worth the energy. Putting the GEC on this terminal vs that terminal is rarely one that is worth it.
 
No its not accessible and you cant just cut the seal.
How does a lock make it not accessible? Even equipment that is required to be held to the higher standard of accessibility, meaning readily accessible, can be locked.

Accessible (as applied to equipment).
Capable of being reached for operation, renewal, and inspection.
Accessible, Readily (Readily Accessible).
Capable of being reached quickly for operation, renewal, or inspections without requiring those to whom ready access is requisite to take actions such as to use tools (other than keys), to climb over or under, to remove obstacles, or to resort to portable ladders, and so forth. (CMP-1)
Informational Note: Use of keys is a common practice under controlled or supervised conditions and a common alternative to the ready access requirements under such supervised conditions as provided
elsewhere in the NEC.
 
I like your humor, It is really interesting how different it is in different areas
I am not sure when or if it changed but here is the code section:

It says the connection has to be accessible.
I’m well aware what 250.24(a)(1) says it translates to an accessible location on the supply side of the service to the service disconnect , and nothings changed , I could connect my gec to the grounded service conductor up at the weatherhead on the load end of the drop if I for some reason it made sense , and you looked at my profile because you mentioned I was in mass in a prior comment , and I see your from Boston , no POCO anywhere in this part of the state prohibits a gec in the meter , I can’t speak for western mass as of today , but 5 years ago in Chicopee I landed the bonding jumper connected to my supplemental electrode in the meter and poco had no issue
And Boston/north of Boston is eversource or National grid and they both allow it and I’ve stood for countless service inspections in and around Boston know the inspectors very well so idk why you’d have that idea because it’s common practice
 
Yeah you guys are right
I have never seen a requirement by national grid that it be landed in the meter but perhaps I have been doing it wrong now I'll ask my boss to check.
 
Yeah you guys are right
I have never seen a requirement by national grid that it be landed in the meter but perhaps I have been doing it wrong now I'll ask my boss to check.
As long as it terminates at the service or before and terminated properly it’s not wrong , if the service disconnect is the main breaker panel in the basement a gec is fine there it’s not restricted to one location
 
No its not accessible and you cant just cut the seal.
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It still meets the more restrictive of the definitions in that it is still "readily Accessible" that is using a key in this picture. so nothing being shown is a violation to land the GEC within the meter.

I have never seen a requirement by national grid that it be landed in the meter but perhaps I have been doing it wrong now I'll ask my boss to check.
Don't see a requirement in National Grid ESB 750 that say you must bond the NG in the meter only that the service equipment shall be bonded in 6.2 of ESB 750. at any location approved by the NEC
 
Where in mass do you see a GEC in a meter? I just never have seen it and it seems dumb.
On final inspection inspector checks that after the building is finished things are accessible.

Why do they check I have a 2 gang mud ring and a blank where the ufer clamp is it if its concealed in a wall?
When do they check my pull box is accessible ? final inspection
So it can be accessed.
And for final inspection I need the power on.
I have never seen a GEC in the meter in MA as well. Every POCO "book" I have ever read does not allow it
 
I have never seen a GEC in the meter in MA as well. Every POCO "book" I have ever read does not allow it
I’ll admit I was wrong about one of the utilities, NAT GRID prohibits a gec connecting to the meter socket enclosure,
I’ve done it quite a few times just last week actually as well, any I’ve never been questioned I’ll have to check eversource now
 

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I’m in complete agreement with both you and Roger, and while I also feel poco should not be able to dictate what can and can’t be connected in the meter , I’ve heard in some jurisdictions they do but is that just a preference of the utility workers or is it written in their handbook I have no way of confirming that because that is not a thing in my area and if you want to terminate the the gec in the meter have at it

This I just downloaded from Eversource. "Western, Ma." Booklet.

"E. Grounding 1. The requirements of the code will be followed relative to grounding at a meter installation, specifically; • The grounding electrode conductor connection shall be made at an accessible location in the service equipment and not in the meter socket. The grounding electrode conductor shall not be run through the meter socket.

And this is from Eastern, MA which does not seem to prohibit this or I couldn't find it.

"511. Bonding Service Equipment Secondary Services: All secondary services having a grounded neutral shall have that neutral adequately grounded on the customer’s premises at the service equipment. The system grounding conductor shall be connected to the neutral conductor. The system-grounding conductor shall provide an effective ground as required by the Massachusetts Electrical Code"

"And this is from Eversource Connecticut.

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Grounding 635 . The grounding electrode conductor shall be at an accessible location in the service equipment and not run through the meter socket nor the IT compartment . 636 . The Customer service entrance installation shall have a neutral which is grounded at the first point of disconnect . Meter sockets are not considered a disconnect device . • Cold sequenced metering • The first point of disconnect shall have a location to connect the neutral that is bonded to ground . • All subsequent metering equipment shall have an isolated neutral . • In instances when a neutral isolation kit is required, the isolation kit shall be from the same meter equipment manufacturer . • Hot sequenced metering • The meter socket enclosure must be bonded to the neutral position . 637 . Copper and aluminum shall never be in physical contact with each other . Use special devices designed for this purpose where electrical connection is necessary . 638 . The meter socket shall never be used as a grounding point
 
This I just downloaded from Eversource. "Western, Ma." Booklet.

"E. Grounding 1. The requirements of the code will be followed relative to grounding at a meter installation, specifically; • The grounding electrode conductor connection shall be made at an accessible location in the service equipment and not in the meter socket. The grounding electrode conductor shall not be run through the meter socket.

And this is from Eastern, MA which does not seem to prohibit this or I couldn't find it.

"511. Bonding Service Equipment Secondary Services: All secondary services having a grounded neutral shall have that neutral adequately grounded on the customer’s premises at the service equipment. The system grounding conductor shall be connected to the neutral conductor. The system-grounding conductor shall provide an effective ground as required by the Massachusetts Electrical Code"

"And this is from Eversource Connecticut.

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Grounding 635 . The grounding electrode conductor shall be at an accessible location in the service equipment and not run through the meter socket nor the IT compartment . 636 . The Customer service entrance installation shall have a neutral which is grounded at the first point of disconnect . Meter sockets are not considered a disconnect device . • Cold sequenced metering • The first point of disconnect shall have a location to connect the neutral that is bonded to ground . • All subsequent metering equipment shall have an isolated neutral . • In instances when a neutral isolation kit is required, the isolation kit shall be from the same meter equipment manufacturer . • Hot sequenced metering • The meter socket enclosure must be bonded to the neutral position . 637 . Copper and aluminum shall never be in physical contact with each other . Use special devices designed for this purpose where electrical connection is necessary . 638 . The meter socket shall never be used as a grounding point
Thank you for taking the time to look up eversource.! , I had heard there were utilities in western mass that didn’t allow it , but I’ve only worked with municipal POCO in that area, has N grid always prohibited the gec in the meter? I’ve honestly done it quite a few times no issue
 
What does your inspectors say about the other conductors in the meter? Do the grounded and ungrounded conductors not need to be accessible?
I have had to inspect/repair service conductors many times in the meter. However, I can't recall even one time where I had to inspect/repair a GEC where it attaches to the service. I have repaired some that were ripped from the rod, but didn't have to do anything where the GEC attached to the service. Even if I did, it would be no problem cutting the seal to get in there. We aren't allowed to cut seals anymore but a call to a lineman and can cut it and reseal it after the repair is made.
 
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