condulet bodies

[iwire]

Well we also dont understand how one can say its a box in the nec as conduit bodies if there marked with volume of cubic size its just for splices or taps its not meaning a box ? comments did i miss part of the code best to ya

A listed item shall be used as listed right?

That is what everyone keeps telling me. :smile:

So look at a conduit body that is marked with it's volume, now look at the UL marking and note the number it is listed to. Now follow that to the UL White book and you find yourself in a section about boxes.

 

[steelersman]

Handbook commentary following 225.22 would appear to support the practice of drilling holes.

Should these holes be drilled after the wire is pulled?

 

[iwire]

Should these holes be drilled after the wire is pulled?

Yes, I strongly recommend that you start doing that on every conduit you run.

 

[steelersman]

Yes, I strongly recommend that you start doing that on every conduit you run.

but only after you've filled the conduit full of wire.

 

[iwire]

but only after you've filled the conduit full of wire.

Yes, that is my suggestion to you.

 

[roger]

our inspector would fail that . It must keep oil or dirt out and only let water out kind of sealing device

A hole drilled in the back of a condulet with or without a screw through it would keep oil, dirt, or water out of a condulet much better than a receptacle would. Must receptacles be mounted in boxes?

Roger

 

[ohmhead]

Well your really going to drill after the wire is pulled tell me your not . never used the white book to do our work we go by nec and specs nothing else i guess yes there is other ways ,iam a little bit surprised you might say by some post on this forum . We use the fitting for its intended use we dont re design or change it we dont drill it or tap or cut it install it as it comes . best to ya take care DRILL IF YOU MUST BUT BEFORE THAT WIRE IS PULLED DUCK TAPE THE HOLE FOR SEALING . Well now i have seen it all a rec in a condulet were do you get these a who in there wright mind would use it ? give me the part or company who makes that i want to call them now ?

 

[steelersman]

DRILL IF YOU MUST BUT BEFORE THAT WIRE IS PULLED DUCK TAPE THE HOLE FOR SEALING .

If you duct tape the holes that you drill, then why drill the holes in the first place? That would be defeating the purpose.

 

[ohmhead]

well that was a joke kind of ? sorry we were funnin but hey drill it wire or no wire best to ya

 

[roger]

never used the white book to do our work we go by nec and specs nothing else i guess yes there is other ways

The White Book would be more of instruction as to the listed items for electrical use explaining their uses. The NEC mandates that certain items be listed, and UL explains what is needed for listing, this doesn't mean they will carry a UL listing though.

We use the fitting for its intended use we dont re design or change it we dont drill it or tap or cut it install it as it comes . best to ya take care DRILL IF YOU MUST BUT BEFORE THAT WIRE IS PULLED DUCK TAPE THE HOLE FOR SEALING .

How do you know what the limits to it's intended use are? Can you direct us to where the manufacturer of a condulet prohibits drilling a hole in it?

Roger

 

[ohmhead]

Well Roger,no i can not direct you to any place that would let you drill a hole in a factory designed fitting . We dont use the white book thats because we have a design plan and spec job that tells us we will use this type of gear or equipment and no other. I have never heard of the white book until today . And i have never heard of a outlet in conduit fitting also never seen anyone drill a hole in a conduit with the wire installed ,iam a little bit shocked by the posts . iam just a simple electrician and i guess i missed alot when i went to school ? best to ya

 

[roger]

Sometimes it behooves us to look a little further than a set of plans and specs, especially when the specs include "this contractor is responsible for compliance with all applicable codes" or similar wording.

Click here for the UL White Book and browse through it, it can be enlightening. Certain myths can be busted reading it while others may not be cleared up one way or another

Roger

 

[JohnJ0906]

Sometimes it behooves us to look a little further than a set of plans and specs, especially when the specs include "this contractor is responsible for compliance with all applicable codes" or similar wording.

Click here for the UL White Book and browse through it, it can be enlightening. Certain myths can be busted reading it while others may not be cleared up one way or another

Roger

Here is a copy of the '08 White Book - http://www.snapdrive.net/files/507790/UL docs/2008_WhiteBook.pdf

 

[ohmhead]

Well yes but it also says unless specs are more stringent then the nec min standards we go by specs not the nec , if we change direction from what is given we must get it approved by engineer it never happens .They would laugh at us if we used the ul white book wrote a R F I to drill a hole in a fitting to support it , its nice to know about it ill tell everyone a work monday . Best to yas

 

[steelersman]

well that was a joke kind of ? sorry we were funnin but hey drill it wire or no wire best to ya

well I was joking also about drilling the conduit with wire already in it. Obviously that would be a bad idea. It would make the most sense to drill it before the wire is pulled. But how would you ream the tiny hole that was drilled? I would be concerned about pulling the wire into the conduit and a burr nicking the insulation. Oh well.

 

[roger]

Well yes but it also says unless specs are more stringent then the nec min standards we go by specs not the nec ,

I don't really understand your point, what would you consider more stringent, something that cost your company or the customer more money, a more difficult way of doing an install, using a receptacle with gold plated componets, please elaborate and explain how an engineers design allows code deficiencies?

if we change direction from what is given we must get it approved by engineer it never happens .

So you just blindly follow a design without know why or recognizing an engineers is human and can make mistakes?

They would laugh at us if we used the ul white book wrote a R F I to drill a hole in a fitting to support it , its nice to know about it ill tell everyone a work monday . Best to yas

Well, let them laugh, the NEC uses UL standards for a large portion of it reasons for specific code sections but, if a group of engineers or electricians standing around at break knows better ways and can change all this while laughing, let it be.


Roger

 

[ohmhead]

Well most jobs have a spec book we read it but it is asking us to use rigid conduit or copper wire only lets say the nec says you can use alum and pvc ,well we bid our job per the engineers spec not the nec . nec is bare min electrical code it is a standard but if your signed contract says you will exceed these rules by the spec then you do that . Whats you next question bottom line is the ul white book is not used on most jobs or any jobs we do . but hey if thats what you need to do your work its ok with me . best to ya

 

[roger]

Ohmhead, specifying copper or ridgid is fine, and taking the RMC in consideration, have you ever read 344.6? The UL White Book book is used on every job you do through NEC requirements.

It's obvious that you are not going to listen to us and we have also effectivly thread jacked the OP's topic so, if you have no desire to learn why specs and the the NEC are writen the way they are, I'll let you be.

Have a good week and don't laugh to hard? :wink:

BTW, do you know what ROP, ROC, and NITMAN stand for?

Roger

 

[chris kennedy]

NITMAN

What is this. No matches on acronym finder.

 

[roger]

Hello Chriis. I'll give you a hint, code making process and NFPA :smile:

Roger