Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity

[wwhitney]

TAKE THIS WATT AS A INPUT FORCE NOT AS A INPUT ELECTRICITY.

The Watt is a unit of power, not a unit of force. The Newton is a unit of force, and a Watt is a Newton-meter/second.

Now I hope that how I will multiply the force for free.

You can multiply force (mechanical advantage), at the expense of greater distance. E.g., apply half the force over twice the distance using a lever.

But guess what? Energy = Force * Distance (when they are in alignment). So when you apply half the force over twice the distance, the energy input is the same. The energy input is not multiplied.

Your seesaw arrangement is not going to multiply energy.

Cheers, Wayne

 

[ggunn]

TAKE THIS WATT AS A INPUT FORCE NOT AS A INPUT ELECTRICITY.

It makes no difference what units you use. If you are moving 10 times the mass it takes ten times the amount of force to move it.

 

[Fulthrotl]

It makes no difference what units you use. If you are moving 10 times the mass it takes ten times the amount of force to move it.

what i think he thinks is sort of like this analogy:

if you produce a sound with a 1 watt amplified sine wave, using a speaker,
you will produce a certain number of decibels, say a nominal of 80 Db.

the number of people standing there listening has no effect on the power required.
if one person is listening to the sound, it's 1 watt. if 10 people standing
there listen to the same sound, it doesn't take any more wattage to produce it.

if 400,000 people listen to it, you'll need some more power than 1 watt, and
some porta potties, as you are at woodstock.

*tries to cause the thread to swerve, with little hope of success.*

 

[vikram_gupta11]

If a person is driving a car at 60 km/hr, then it takes a certain amount of energy to accelerate and maintain the mass of the car at that speed. If you add passengers (more mass), it takes more energy to accelerate and maintain that same speed.

If a passenger is 5% of the total mass then 5% of the total energy input was imposed on that passenger - this is disregarding inefficiencies.

Ever noticed that it takes more fuel to take a loaded truck on a trip then to drive the same trip with the truck empty?

So where I'm denying about it and see my calculation as I have put all input figures to counter mass, mechanical loss, air resistance and yet overall output is > than input.

 

[vikram_gupta11]

The Watt is a unit of power, not a unit of force. The Newton is a unit of force, and a Watt is a Newton-meter/second.


You can multiply force (mechanical advantage), at the expense of greater distance. E.g., apply half the force over twice the distance using a lever.

But guess what? Energy = Force * Distance (when they are in alignment). So when you apply half the force over twice the distance, the energy input is the same. The energy input is not multiplied.

Your seesaw arrangement is not going to multiply energy.

Cheers, Wayne

I know that watt is unit of power but 1 watt= 1 newton meter and I have mentioned it already .In this design energy will generated with coil+magnet system and arm will work to equally distributing the input force among these 10 coil+magnet system.

 

[vikram_gupta11]

If a person is driving a car at 60 km/hr, then it takes a certain amount of energy to accelerate and maintain the mass of the car at that speed. If you add passengers (more mass), it takes more energy to accelerate and maintain that same speed.

If a passenger is 5% of the total mass then 5% of the total energy input was imposed on that passenger - this is disregarding inefficiencies.

Ever noticed that it takes more fuel to take a loaded truck on a trip then to drive the same trip with the truck empty?[/QUO

DEAR SIR,
I HAVE MENTIONED MANY TIMES THAT MASS IS NOT AN ISSUE IN THIS DESIGN EVEN WE CAN REDUCE MASS UPTO 50% MORE IN THIS DESIGN.

 

[vikram_gupta11]

what i think he thinks is sort of like this analogy:

if you produce a sound with a 1 watt amplified sine wave, using a speaker,
you will produce a certain number of decibels, say a nominal of 80 Db.

the number of people standing there listening has no effect on the power required.
if one person is listening to the sound, it's 1 watt. if 10 people standing
there listen to the same sound, it doesn't take any more wattage to produce it.

if 400,000 people listen to it, you'll need some more power than 1 watt, and
some porta potties, as you are at woodstock.

*tries to cause the thread to swerve, with little hope of success.*

I know that watt is unit of power but 1 watt= 1 newton meter and I have mentioned it already .In this design energy will generated with coil+magnet system and arm will work to equally distributing the input force among these 10 coil+magnet system. SUPPOSE THERE ARE 10 PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING ON A SEESAW IN ALIGNMENT 5 PEOPLE EACH SIDE AND SEESAW IS BALANCED .WHAT WILL BE HAPPENED WHEN WE WILL TURN THIS SEESAW? THESE ALL 10 PEOPLE WILL TURN AND THEIR ENERGY WILL BE BURNED UP AS THEY ARE NOT FOR GENERATE ENERGY BUT IF WE REPLACE THE PEOPLE WITH 10 COIL +MAGNET SYSTEM THEN THESE SYSTEM WILL GENERATE ENERGY AS THESE ARE FOR ENERGY GENERATORS.

 

[vikram_gupta11]

It makes no difference what units you use. If you are moving 10 times the mass it takes ten times the amount of force to move it.

but mass is not an issue in this design

F=ma ,if mass is equal both side then f=a ,so force will distributed equally in all coil+magnet system.

 

[Besoeker]

I know that watt is unit of power but 1 watt= 1 newton meter

Don't think so.

 

[mgookin]

but mass is not an issue in this design

F=ma ,if mass is equal both side then f=a ,so force will distributed equally in all coil+magnet system.

In the vertical plane, if it is balanced.

But you are producing the power in the horizontal plane. Everyone here is trying to get you to think of the force required in the horizontal plane - i.e. the force requisite to cause the flashlights to produce power. It is not zero and it is not balanced, in fact, it has an opposing force from the flashlights on the other side. Keep adding flashlights and you keep adding force.

And you were asked how many times for drawings so we could identify these forces?

This is post #310. There is a reason engineers produce drawings.

 

[vikram_gupta11]

In the vertical plane, if it is balanced.

But you are producing the power in the horizontal plane. Everyone here is trying to get you to think of the force required in the horizontal plane - i.e. the force requisite to cause the flashlights to produce power. It is not zero and it is not balanced, in fact, it has an opposing force from the flashlights on the other side. Keep adding flashlights and you keep adding force.

And you were asked how many times for drawings so we could identify these forces?

This is post #310. There is a reason engineers produce drawings.

Dear sir,
again say mass is not an issue in this design the main issue is sliding of magnets to pass through the coils.
Give me some time so that I could send you drawings with proper instructions to identify these forces .

 

[Besoeker]

Dear sir,
again say mass is not an issue in this design the main issue is sliding of magnets to pass through the coils.
Give me some time so that I could send you drawings with proper instructions to identify these forces .

Perhaps some progress. You seem to acknowledge magnets passing through coils requires force. Where does that force come from?

 

[vikram_gupta11]

Perhaps some progress. You seem to acknowledge magnets passing through coils requires force. Where does that force come from?

This force will come from input. but if there are 10 no.coil+ magnet system then we will not have to apply 10 times force only one time force will be sufficient because this one time force will be distributed equally or in other words this one time force will be applied on all 10 no. coil+magnet system .this is the main point in this design.

 

[Besoeker]

This force will come from input.

Which thus has to bequal to, or greater than, the output

 

[junkhound]

Mah cuzin down onna farm had him a pet pig.

Bet folks he cud teach that thar pig ta fly!

He sure 'nuf did, mixed him a bag of marshmallows in amongst creamed corn, hung it 4 foot out the barn loft, thet thar pig sure enuf did fly strayt to da ground a'tryin to git ta that fud.

Thet thar atracshun to free energy is sure'nuf like thet baga mallows, eh ?

 

[George Stolz]

This isn't going anywhere.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

This force will come from input. but if there are 10 no.coil+ magnet system then we will not have to apply 10 times force only one time force will be sufficient because this one time force will be distributed equally or in other words this one time force will be applied on all 10 no. coil+magnet system .this is the main point in this design.

I think you really need to find a high strength magnet that has an OD just slightly less than the ID of a copper pipe and drop the magnet down the pipe to understand that when a moving magnet is used to create electricity that there is force required.